Extremizing multivariable functions

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The discussion focuses on finding extreme values of the function f(x, y, z) = x + y + z under the constraint x^4 + y^4 + z^4 = c, where c > 0. The method of Lagrange multipliers is employed, leading to the conclusion that the only critical points occur when x = y = z = (-1/4λ)^{1/3}, but this results in an equation that cannot satisfy c > 0. An alternative approach suggests solving for λ and substituting back to find the values of x, y, and z, ultimately leading to the conclusion that the extreme values cannot be achieved under the given conditions. The discussion highlights the complexity of the problem and the different methods used to approach it, ultimately concluding that no solutions exist for the specified constraints.
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Homework Statement


Find extreme values for
f(x, y, z)=x+y+z
subject to:
x^4+y^4+z^4=c>0

Therefore, since c>0, exclude the origin.

Let L(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=x+y+z+\lambda{(}x^4+y^4+z^4-c)
and thus
L_1(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4x^3\lambda
L_2(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4y^3\lambda
L_3(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4z^3\lambda
L_4(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=x^4+y^4+z^4-c
with solutions
x=y=z=(-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3}
and
0=((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4+((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4+((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4-c=3((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4-c
c=-1/(4c^{3/4})
and since c>0, the question has no solutions.
 
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(-1)^(4/3)=(+1).
 
sandy.bridge said:

Homework Statement


Find extreme values for
f(x, y, z)=x+y+z
subject to:
x^4+y^4+z^4=c>0

Therefore, since c>0, exclude the origin.

Let L(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=x+y+z+\lambda{(}x^4+y^4+z^4-c)
and thus
L_1(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4x^3\lambda
L_2(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4y^3\lambda
L_3(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4z^3\lambda
L_4(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=x^4+y^4+z^4-c
with solutions
x=y=z=(-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3}
and
0=((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4+((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4+((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4-c=3((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4-c
c=-1/(4c^{3/4})
and since c>0, the question has no solutions.

The equation 3((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4 = c can certainly be solved for \lambda as a function of c. Then plug that solution into your formulas for x, y and z.

RGV
 
I prefer a little different way of thinking about it. To find maximum or minimum of f(x,y,z) subject to the constraint g(x,y,z)= constant, find (x,y,z) where the gradients are parallel: \nabla f= \lambda\nabla g. For this problem that gives
1= 4\lambda x^3, 1= 4\lambda y^3, 1= 4\lambda z^3
(These are equivalent to your L_1= 1+ 4\lambda x^2= 0, etc. although you did not write the "= 0".)

Now, eliminate \lambda by dividing one equation by another. That gives 1= (x/y)^3 and 1= (x/z)^3 which give x= y= z. Put that into x^4+ y^4+ z^4= c.
 
Thanks for the responses guys.
(x, y, z)=(\frac{c^{1/4}}{3^{1/4}}, \frac{c^{1/4}}{3^{1/4}}, \frac{c^{1/4}}{3^{1/4}})
 
I'd just like to say that when I do it following the original path, I get
(x, y, z)=(-c^{1/4}/3^{1/4}, -c^{1/4}/3^{1/4}, -c^{1/4}/3^{1/4})
 
Since
x=y=z
and
0=1+4x^3\lambda
then
3(-1/(4\lambda{)})^{4/3}=c
hence
\lambda{=}1/4(3/c)^{3/4}
We know that
0=1+4x^3\lambda
so
0=1+4x^3(1/4(3/c)^{3/4})
and
x=-c^{1/4}/3^{1/4}
however, this does not really follow the method HallsofIvy suggested..
 

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