Factors Affecting Resonant Frequency of String or Wire: Investigation Help

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The discussion revolves around investigating the factors that affect the resonant frequency of a string or wire. The original poster mentions using a string with a vibration generator and pulley, as well as a wire with a magnet and rheostat, and references a specific formula related to resonant frequency.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the application of the formula fo = ½L x (T/µ) and questions whether the length L should be measured from node to node or as arbitrary lengths. Other participants provide insights into wave equations and the relationship between frequency, tension, and mass per unit length.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical concepts and exploring different interpretations of the resonant frequency. Some have offered clarifications and corrections regarding the formula, while others are questioning the implications of their findings. There is no explicit consensus, but the discussion is productive with various lines of reasoning being explored.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the correct application of the formula and the definitions of terms used, such as the meaning of N in the context of frequency. Participants are also grappling with the implications of damping and the relationship between natural frequency and resonant frequency.

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Ive been given the task of investigating what factors will affect the resonant frequency of a piece of string or wire :cry: . I believe it may have something to do with standing or stationary ways. At the moment I believe I have two ways of doing this, one by using string, vibration generator and pulley, the other by using wire, magnet and rheostat.

Both I believe involve the equation fo = ½L x (T/µ).

fo = fundamental frequency
L = length of vibrating wire
T = tension
µ = mass per unit length

Could anyone who has any experience with this formula at all, or knows how to put it into use tell me, particularly the length part, is it node to node or arbitrary lengths. Thanks
 
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edit - nevermind
 
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I think you left out a square root.
 
From what I know about waves and diff eq's:
The equation of a wave is
\frac{1}{v^2}\frac{\partial^2 y} {\partial t ^2}=\frac{\partial^2 y}{\partial x^2}
for which a particular solution is the standing wave with say, the fundamental frequency:
y(x,t) = A(x)\cos(\omega_0 t)= A\sin(kx)\cos(\omega_0 t)
Where A(x) is the amplitude function, \omega_0 is the natural angular frequency, and k is the wave number.
now since, I'm guessing, that string wave behaves like a harmonic oscilator at any given point along the strong (strictly speaking y(t,x_0) = A(x_0)cos(\omega_0 t)) I'm going to venture a guess that it obeys the differential equation:
my'' + cy = 0
Where c is the restoring force proportionality constant or whatever (F = -cx)
Now, let's impose an external force on it
my'' + cy = B(x)cos(\omega t)
Well, we already set the complementary solution as
y_c(t) = A(x)\cos(\omega_0 t)
so then the particular solution becomes
y_p(t) = B(x)\cos(\omega t)
so that
y(t) = \frac{B(x)}{c-m\omega^2} \cos(\omega t) + A(x) \cos(\omega_0 t)
(you can do some trig manipulation and combine this into a product of cosines making the graph look like a wave envoloped in a larger wave)
Edit -
but... what happens when \omega_0 = \omega then the particular solution becomes a solution to the associated homogeneous equation.
Again, complementary solution is
y_c(t) = A(x)\cos(\omega t)
but the particular solution becomes
y_p(t) = \frac{B(x)t}{2\omega m} \cos(\omega t)
such that
y(t) = A(x)\cos(\omega t) + \frac{B(x)t}{2\omega m} \cos(\omega t)
=(A(x)+ \frac{B(x)t}{2\omega m})\cos(\omega t)
Notice that the total amplitude increases as t increases so what you have is a wave oscillating in between the lines y=+-b/2wmt +- a. However, none of this factors dampening into play but if you do, the equations become a little bit more complicated.
Disclaimer: I just applied my knowledge of springs and differential equations to my knowledge of standing waves, it may or may not be right.
Edit 3 - hurrr all that work for nothing, after googlin, the resonant frequency is just another name for natural frequency
in that case:
\sin(kL) = 0
kL = n\pi
\frac{2\pi L}{\lambda} = n\pi
\lambda = \frac{2L}{n}
v=f\lambda=\sqrt{T \over \mu}
f_n = \frac{n}{2L}\sqrt{T \over \mu}
 
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Thanks, but what does the N stand for in your version, is it just a constant?

(and yes I did miss out a square root, silly me, thanks for taking the time to do all that)
 
\sqrt{T} ah so that's how it works
 
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