Figuring out relationships with graphs

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the relationship between skid distance and cone length through a graph created for a lab project. Initially, the user struggles to identify the relationship, considering it might be inverse, but later recognizes it as exponential based on the graph's curvature. The conversation highlights the importance of data points, with the user providing specific measurements that show a decreasing skid distance as cone length increases. There is also a consideration of how mass affects friction, with questions raised about the significance of mass differences in paper cones. Ultimately, the analysis remains inconclusive, with participants suggesting further investigation into kinetic friction changes.
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Ok, so as part of a lab, I had to make an excel graph of the relationship between skid distance and cone length (if you want to know more, look at my post below about science fair which was posted yesterday at 6:25 pm). Anyways, I made the graph and I can't tell the relationship between the two variables. I am just a freshman with little math behind me, so I can't quite determine the relationship just by looking at it. Please give me soem tips on determining the relationship as shown on my graph. (I tried to attach it, but the site said it was invalid, so I can't)
Thanks!
 
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Could you describe it? Or perhaps you could sopy it into an image editing program and attached it as an image?

~H
 
ok, I uploaded it...can we just say it is an inverse relationship?
 

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Well, I'll let you start. Does skid distance increase or decrease with increasing cone length?

~H
 
it decreases in this portion of the graph
 
so wouldn't it just be an inverse relationship because as cone length increases, skid distance decreases?
 
oooo said:
so wouldn't it just be an inverse relationship because as cone length increases, skid distance decreases?

Almost but the curve isn't a straight line is it? What kind of curve does it look like?

~H
 
its exponential. what does that mean about skid distance and cone length?
I knew it didn't look like an inverse function, but in theory shouldn't it have been?
 
Yeah, there aren't enough data points to confirm, it could either be an inverse square relationship or an exponential decay. I'm gona go and have a look at your other thread now to see what you were actually invesitgating.

~H
 
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ok, i appreciate it
 
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From what you have said and the diagram you have supplied, I would have expected that cone length to be independant of skid length. I would therefore have expected to obtain a horizontal line. Interesting...hmmm

~H
 
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my data:

10 cm cone: skid distance= 38.9 cm
15 cm cone: skid distance= 22 cm
20 cm cone: s.d.= 12.5 cm
25 cm cone: s.d.= 10 cm
30 cm cone: s.d. = 9.2 cm

Now, I know that friction is independent of surface area because the reduction of pressure with increased skid distance offsets the increase in friction. But, each cone does have a different mass, and so does the decreasing pressure not completely offset the friction between these trials?
 
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oooo said:
my data:

10 cm cone: skid distance= 38.9 cm
15 cm cone: skid distance= 22 cm
20 cm cone: s.d.= 12.5 cm
25 cm cone: s.d.= 10 cm
30 cm cone: s.d. = 9.2 cm

Now, I know that friction is independent of surface area because the reduction of pressure with increased skid distance offsets the increase in friction. But, each cone does have a different mass, and so does the decreasing pressure not completely offset the friction between these trials?

Ahh, I forgot you are taking mass into account. Yes, this may explain it, however, the decrease seem rather rapid. Have you calculated the changes in kinetic friction with respect to mass?

~H
 
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these cones are made of paper, so is the difference between the masses of the cones negligible?
 
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oooo said:
these cones are made of paper, so is the difference between the masses of the cones negligible?

That's what I was thinking when I said the decrease seems rather rapid. I think its best to wait and see if anyone else has any ideas, cos I'm fresh out :confused:

~H
 
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ok, thanks so much for all your help!
 
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