Find all ring homomorphisms from 3Z to Z?

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The discussion revolves around finding all ring homomorphisms from the set of integers that are multiples of 3 (3Z) to the integers (Z). Participants explore the properties of cyclic groups and the implications of homomorphism definitions in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the significance of σ(3) and its implications for defining homomorphisms. There is a focus on the properties of cyclic groups and the relationship between elements in the domain and codomain. Questions arise regarding the initial steps needed to establish the homomorphism and the properties that must hold.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the properties of potential homomorphisms, with some participants suggesting that if certain equations hold, then specific forms of homomorphisms can be derived. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these properties without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of zero divisors in 3Z and the implications this has for the equations being discussed. There is also mention of previous examples that may not directly apply to this case, highlighting the unique challenges posed by the problem.

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Homework Statement



Find all ring homomorphisms from 3Z to Z, where 3Z are the integers that are of multiple 3.

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So 3Z is cyclic so σ(3) is sufficient to look. Now all of the other examples have finite groups, so |σ(a)| divides the |a| in the domain. Or, the homomorphisms is define with Z as the domain, and then a=a^2. I understand these examples, but then don't know how to start this one...

<3> generates the group, so I know I want to consider it. But if σ(3)=a, but then what? Other examples are a=σ(1)=σ(1*1)=a^2, but that property doesn't hold here, and 1 is not in3Z. I know I'm missing something simple, just can't quite figure out what property I need to put my finger on to make that first step..

Thanks for any help! :smile:
 
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mathgirl313 said:

Homework Statement



Find all ring homomorphisms from 3Z to Z, where 3Z are the integers that are of multiple 3.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



So 3Z is cyclic so σ(3) is sufficient to look. Now all of the other examples have finite groups, so |σ(a)| divides the |a| in the domain. Or, the homomorphisms is define with Z as the domain, and then a=a^2. I understand these examples, but then don't know how to start this one...

<3> generates the group, so I know I want to consider it. But if σ(3)=a, but then what? Other examples are a=σ(1)=σ(1*1)=a^2, but that property doesn't hold here, and 1 is not in3Z. I know I'm missing something simple, just can't quite figure out what property I need to put my finger on to make that first step..

Thanks for any help! :smile:

You've got the right starting point. So σ(3)+σ(3)+σ(3)=σ(3+3+3)=σ(9)=σ(3*3)=σ(3)*σ(3). So?
 
Dick said:
You've got the right starting point. So σ(3)+σ(3)+σ(3)=σ(3+3+3)=σ(9)=σ(3*3)=σ(3)*σ(3). So?

So 3a=a^2 if a=σ(3). So the possible homomorphisms of a will have that property. And it should them just fail out like the other examples.
 
mathgirl313 said:
So 3a=a^2 if a=σ(3). So the possible homomorphisms of a will have that property. And it should them just fail out like the other examples.

If a solves 3a=a^2 then it's a homomorphism. You still need to describe what the homomorphisms are.
 
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Dick said:
If a solves 3a=a^2 then it's a homomorphism. You still need to describe what the homomorphisms are.

Then 3a - a^2 = 0, and 3Z has no zero divisors, so factoring the equation gives a=0 or a=3.
Then, if σ(3)=a=0, then σ(x)=0 for all x in 3Z, and σ is the zero homomorphism.
If σ(3)=a=3, then σ(x)=x for all x in 3Z, and σ is the identity homomorphism.

Hence there there two ring homomorphism for 3Z to Z. :smile:
 
mathgirl313 said:
Then 3a - a^2 = 0, and 3Z has no zero divisors, so factoring the equation gives a=0 or a=3.
Then, if σ(3)=a=0, then σ(x)=0 for all x in 3Z, and σ is the zero homomorphism.
If σ(3)=a=3, then σ(x)=x for all x in 3Z, and σ is the identity homomorphism.

Hence there there two ring homomorphism for 3Z to Z. :smile:

Seems fine to me.
 

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