Find area of region (double integral)

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The problem involves finding the area of a region bounded by the equation of a circle, \(x^2 + y^2 = 4\), specifically the area above the line \(y = 1\). The original poster attempts to solve this using both Cartesian and polar coordinates.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the double integral in both Cartesian and polar coordinates, exploring the limits of integration for each method.
  • Some participants question the correctness of the integration limits and the equivalence of different differential area elements.
  • There is a consideration of symmetry in the problem to simplify the area calculation.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the integration limits and the relationship between different area elements. The discussion includes attempts to clarify the setup and reasoning behind the chosen methods, with no explicit consensus reached on all points raised.

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Participants note the importance of accurately determining the limits of integration based on the graphical representation of the region. There is also mention of homework constraints regarding the use of specific methods and transformations.

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Homework Statement
Find area of region bounded by
[tex]x^2 + y^2 = 4[/tex]above y=1

The attempt at a solution

OK, so i drew the graph.
http://s1.ipicture.ru/uploads/20111226/oR99IdxJ.jpg
The red part of the graph is the area that i need to find.

Put y = 1 in the equation of circle;
x^2 = 3
x = -√3 and +√3

Now, from what i understood from struggling with this problem, i must always describe the region area in the following way:

For x fixed, x varies between -√3 to √3
Then, y varies between 1 and √(4 - x^2)

Since this problem is found at the end of the section, "Double Integrals - Polar Coordinates", I'm going to transform to polar coordinates, instead of solving it directly:

x^2 +y^2 = 4
r^2 = 4
r = -2 or +2

Considering r= +2, since the graph is symmetric about the y-axis, i will evaluate the area of the positive half found in the first quadrant and then later when i get the answer, i will multiply the latter by 2 to get the final answer.

θ varies between 0 and ∏/2

So, rewriting the double integrals:
[tex]\int\int dydx = \int\int rdrd\theta[/tex]
And using the following limits:

For r:
y = 1
rsinθ=1
So,r = 1/sinθ

(1/sinθ)≤r≤2 and 0≤θ≤(∏/2)

For the inner integral, i get the answer:
2 - 1/[2sin^2(θ)]
which i integrate again w.r.t.θ
2θ + (1/2)cotθ
Applying the limits, i get:

which is incorrect. I don't know where i made the mistake/s.
 
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sharks said:
Homework Statement
Find area of region bounded by
[tex]x^2 + y^2 = 4[/tex]above y=1

The attempt at a solution

OK, so i drew the graph.
http://s1.ipicture.ru/uploads/20111226/oR99IdxJ.jpg
The red part of the graph is the area that i need to find.

Put y = 1 in the equation of circle;
x^2 = 3
x = -√3 and +√3

Now, from what i understood from struggling with this problem, i must always describe the region area in the following way:

For x fixed, x varies between -√3 to √3
Then, y varies between 1 and √(4 - x^2)

Since this problem is found at the end of the section, "Double Integrals - Polar Coordinates", I'm going to transform to polar coordinates, instead of solving it directly:

x^2 +y^2 = 4
r^2 = 4
r = -2 or +2

Considering r= +2, since the graph is symmetric about the y-axis, i will evaluate the area of the positive half found in the first quadrant and then later when i get the answer, i will multiply the latter by 2 to get the final answer.

θ varies between 0 and ∏/2

So, rewriting the double integrals:
[tex]\int\int dydx = \int\int rdrd\theta[/tex]
And using the following limits:

For r:
y = 1
rsinθ=1
So,r = 1/sinθ

(1/sinθ)≤r≤2 and 0≤θ≤(∏/2)

For the inner integral, i get the answer:
2 - 1/[2sin^2(θ)]
which i integrate again w.r.t.θ
2θ + (1/2)cotθ
Applying the limits, i get:

which is incorrect. I don't know where i made the mistake/s.
Your integration limits for θ are incorrect. Look at your figure.
 
OK, so now I'm using the limits:
(1/sinθ)≤r≤2 and (∏/6)≤θ≤(∏/2)

I get the answer: 2∏/3 - √3/2

To get the whole area, by symmetry, multiply by 2:

The final answer: 4∏/3 - √3 (correct!)

However, i have some doubts about the method:

1. Could i also have used y as fixed, instead of x, to find the area? Just wondering. As in evaluating the area (not through polar coordinates) I've used both methods.

2. Are these 2 expressions equivalent?
[tex]dydx = rdrd\theta[/tex]
[tex]dxdy = rdrd\theta[/tex]
In my notes, they are not used in any specific order, so I'm wondering, however i checked in a calculus book and it states:
[tex]dxdy = rdrd\theta[/tex]
 
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Yes, dxdy = dydx .

But as you've learned recently, the limits of integration need to be changed to make sure that you integrate over the correct region in both cases.

BTW: rdrdθ = rdθdr .
 
OK, thanks SammyS.
 

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