Find magnetic dipole moment of coiled wire

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To find the magnetic dipole moment of a coiled wire, the formula M = n * i * A is used, where n is the number of loops, i is the current, and A is the area of each loop. Given a 45-meter long wire coiled into 100 loops carrying a current of 13 A, the area A is calculated using the radius derived from the wire's total length and the number of loops. The correct calculation leads to a magnetic dipole moment of 21 A·m². The discussion highlights the importance of correctly determining the area of individual loops rather than treating the coil as a single loop. Overall, the solution emphasizes careful application of formulas and unit conversions in magnetic dipole moment calculations.
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Homework Statement


A 45-m long wire is coiled so that it makes a coil containing 100 circular loops, one on top of the other. If the wire carries a current of 13 A, what is the magnetic dipole moment of the coil?

21 A·m2

6.7 A·m2

3.3 A·m2

2.6 A·m2

1.2 A·m2

Homework Equations


B(z) = u0/2pi x u/z^3
Where u0 is the permeability constant and u is the magnetic dipole moment

The Attempt at a Solution


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I can get as far as B(z) = (2 x 10^7 u)/z^3
I know I need to find u.
It doesn't seem to mention where exactly z is, thus can't work out magnetic field. Do you think there is enough information provided in this question to solve it?

Thanks.
 
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Would this be a solenoid and thus use equation B = u0 x i x n ?
 
I'm curious - how would finding B help ?

Use simply the formula - M = n*i*A , where n is no of loops , and i the current passing through the loops , and A the area of each loop .

Also , here's a hint : M due to n circular loops would be the same as due to one large , single loop of current - carrying wire . This might help .
 
Oh I couldn't find that equation.

But solving for this equation gives me 2.07 x 10^6.
I guess I need to convert this to A/m^2, but I am not sure the conversion and couldn't find it on Google anywhere?
 
Anyone got any idea?
 
Jimbob999 said:
Anyone got any idea?
Firstly ,
Qwertywerty said:
Also , here's a hint : M due to n circular loops would be the same as due to one large , single loop of current - carrying wire . This might help .
Unfortunately , I have made a mistake here . Discard this .
Secondly ,
Jimbob999 said:
But solving for this equation gives me 2.07 x 10^6.
I guess I need to convert this to A/m^2, but I am not sure the conversion and couldn't find it on Google anywhere?
Try the working again now . You will get the answer . Also , I believe you mean Am2 .

Hope this helps .
 
Ok, let me show you my working.

n is 100
I is 13
A = Pi R^2, which is 506.3. However, I am inclined to take this as one big loop. Thus 45m divided 100 loops.
A = 0.159?

M = 206.7
or M = 2.07 if take n as 1.

So don't think any of my answers are right?
 
Jimbob999 said:
However, I am inclined to take this as one big loop.
I said I made a mistake - you shouldn't do this .

Find area of each individual loop , and use the formula M = n*i*A .
Jimbob999 said:
A = Pi R^2, which is 506.3. However, I am inclined to take this as one big loop. Thus 45m divided 100 loops.
A = 0.159?
Check your area .

Hope this helps .
 
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Thanks qwerty.
Was stupidly using circumference instead of radius. Got it now.
 
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Jimbob999 said:

Homework Statement


A 45-m long wire is coiled so that it makes a coil containing 100 circular loops, one on top of the other. If the wire carries a current of 13 A, what is the magnetic dipole moment of the coil?

21 A·m2

6.7 A·m2

3.3 A·m2

2.6 A·m2

1.2 A·m2

i = 13 , L = 45 , N = 100

100 circular loop

the circumference of the all loops L = 2*pi*r *100
then the r of 100 circular loop equal r = L / ( 2*pi*100 )

magnetic diploe = N i A = 100 * pi * r^2 * 13 = 21 A·m^2

solved the Q - Almamoun and Feras Alhazmi from King Fahad of petroleum and minerals university
 
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Good solution, @Almamoun, but please note that the question is almost 7 years old so it is unlikely that it will help the person who posted it.
 
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