Find Mass and C.O.M using a line integral

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The discussion revolves around finding the mass and center of mass of a thin wire shaped as a half-circle, defined by the equation x² + y² = r², with a specified linear density function ρ(x,y) = x² + y². The problem involves using line integrals to compute these quantities.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, including the use of line integrals versus double integrals. There is an attempt to substitute variables into the density function, and some participants suggest using polar coordinates for simplification.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various attempts to approach the problem, with one participant questioning the validity of their substitution and integral setup. Another participant provides guidance on the correct method, emphasizing the use of line integrals and suggesting polar coordinates as a potential strategy.

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There is a reference to a specific example from an external resource, indicating that participants are considering established methods in their discussion. The context of the course, Physics 211, is also noted, which may imply certain expectations regarding the level of understanding and approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Using line integrals, find the mass and the position of the center of mass of a thin wire in the shape of a half-circle x^{2} + y^{2} = r^{2}, x ≥ 0 and -r ≤ y≤ r if the linear density is ρ(x,y) = x^{2} + y^{2}

The mass is given by the integral of the density along the curve while the center of mass is defined as

\frac{∫_{C} x ρ(x,y)ds}{∫_{C}ρ(x,y)ds}

for the x co-ordinate and similarly for the y co-ordinate.

The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt was to substitute x^{2} = y^{2} - r^{2} and y^{2} = x^{2} - r^{2} into the density function to get ρ(x,y) = x^{2} + y^{2} - 2r^{2} then do the double integral

∫^{x}_{0}∫^{r}_{-r} x^{2} + y^{2} - 2r^{2} dy dx

from that I got an answer of \frac{2rx^{2}}{3}

EDIT: I get \frac{2rx^{2}}{3} - \frac{10r^3x}{3} rather then \frac{2rx^{2}}{3}

Is that correct? Or am I supposed to follow Example 1 on this page, http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcIII/LineIntegralsPtI.aspx ?
 
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Homework Statement



Using line integrals, find the mass and the position of the center of mass of a thin wire in the shape of a half-circle x^{2} + y^{2} = r^{2}, x ≥ 0 and -r ≤ y≤ r if the linear density is ρ(x,y) = x^{2} + y^{2}

The mass is given by the integral of the density along the curve while the center of mass is defined as

\frac{∫_{C} x ρ(x,y)ds}{∫_{C}ρ(x,y)ds}

for the x co-ordinate and similarly for the y co-ordinate.

The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt was to substitute x^{2} = y^{2} - r^{2} and y^{2} = x^{2} - r^{2} into the density function to get ρ(x,y) = x^{2} + y^{2} - 2r^{2} then do the double integral

Stop right there! Those are line integrals and you don't evaluate them with double integrals. Do the line integrals. Polar coordinates might be a good idea.
 
Hah, physics 211 I assume?
 
Physics 211 indeed, ParoxysmX =]. LCKrutz, ok so,

x = r cos(t), y = r sin(t)

ds = \sqrt{((dx/dt)^{2} + (dy/dt)^{2})} <br /> = \sqrt{(r^{2}sin^{2}(t) +r^{2}cos^{2}(t))}dt<br /> = \sqrt{r^2}dt = r dt

Then substitute x and y values into the density function to get

Mass = ∫_{C}(r^{2}cos^{2}(t) + r^{2}sin^{2}(t))(r)dt
Mass =∫_{C}r^{3}(cos^{2}(t)+sin^{2}(t))dt = ∫_{C}r^{3}dt
Mass =r^{3}t |^{\pi}_{0} = r^{3}\pi

Correct?

Then for the x and y, do the above process but multiply by r cost and r sint and divide by r^{3}\pi to get x and y which are x = 0 and y = 2r^{4}/r^{3}\pi.
 

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