Find Symmetrical Components of 5-Phase System

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The discussion revolves around finding the symmetrical components of a 5-phase system, focusing on the identification of positive and negative sequences. Participants explore the differences between 3-phase and 5-phase systems in terms of symmetrical components, including the challenges faced in applying Fortescue's transformation to a non-3-phase context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in determining the symmetrical components of a 5-phase system, specifically the positive and negative sequences, drawing a comparison to the 3-phase system.
  • Another participant suggests checking Wikipedia and Fortescue's article, questioning how many balanced systems are needed for the analysis.
  • A participant expresses a lack of reference for performing Fortescue transformation on systems with more than three phases.
  • One participant mentions attempting to use Simulink for this analysis but notes the absence of blocks for phases beyond three, complicating the observation of qd0 waveforms for a 5-phase synchronous machine.
  • A reference to "Symmetrical Components" by Wagner & Evans is provided as a potential resource for further reading.
  • A detailed explanation is given regarding the symmetrical components for a 5-phase system, outlining the positive sequence (A-B-C-D-E), negative sequence (E-D-C-B-A), and other sequences, while generalizing that for n phases, there will be n sets of phasors.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the methodology for finding symmetrical components in a 5-phase system, and multiple viewpoints regarding the application of Fortescue's transformation and the necessary resources remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the applicability of existing resources and methodologies for systems with more than three phases, indicating a potential gap in available tools or literature.

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I wonder if someone can help me how to find the symmetrical components of a 5-phase system. What would be the positive and negative sequences? I'm saying this because in a 3-phase system I can find the positive, negative and zero sequence in function of line currents.
 
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Have you tried your self?

check out wikipedia

Or the famous article by Fortescue

As a push in the right direction, how many balanced systems (sequences) do you need?
 
I have no reference on doing fortescue transformation for system with phases different from 3.
 
In fact, I'm trying to perform this using simulink, but it does not have any block with phases different from three. So I don't know how to watch the qd0 -waveforms of a synchronous machine with 5-phase .
 
See "Symmetrical Components" by Wagner & Evans, 1933, still in print.

Claude
 
danilorj said:
I wonder if someone can help me how to find the symmetrical components of a 5-phase system. What would be the positive and negative sequences? I'm saying this because in a 3-phase system I can find the positive, negative and zero sequence in function of line currents.

With 3-phase there are 3 components, I1 (positive, A-B-C), I2 (negative, C-B-A), and I0 (zero, all 3 in unison), called "sequences".

With 5-phase there are 5 components. They are I1 (positive, A-B-C-D-E), I2 (A-C-E-B-D). I3 (A-D-B-E-C), I4 (negative, E-D-C-B-A), and I0 (zero, all 5 in unison).

In general for n phases there will be n sets of phasors. No. 1 is the positive sequence, having the same rotation as the overall system, i.e. A, B, C, etc. No. 2 is the next set where the sequence is every 2nd phase, i.e. A-C-E-G, etc. No. 3 is next, with sequence A-D-G, etc. which is every 3rd phase. The next to last set is no. "n-1" which is negative sequence, i.e. n, n-1, n-2, ---, C, B, A. Finally we have zero sequence, all n phases in unison.

Claude
 
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