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The discussion revolves around finding the largest area of triangle ABC, given the lengths of sides AB and the ratio of sides BC and AC. Participants explore different methods to calculate the area, including geometric approaches and algebraic techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a geometric method involving the Apollonius circle to determine the maximum area of the triangle, suggesting that the area is greatest when point C is directly above the center of the circle.
  • Another participant proposes using Heron's formula to calculate the area, leading to a complex expression that ultimately simplifies to a maximum area of 820.
  • The second participant also suggests an alternative approach using the AM-GM inequality to derive the maximum area, arriving at the same conclusion of 820.
  • There is an acknowledgment of the ingenuity of the geometric approach, but there is no direct comparison or resolution between the two methods presented.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for solving the problem, as multiple approaches are discussed, each leading to the same maximum area but through different reasoning. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the preferred method of solution.

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Some mathematical steps and assumptions in the derivations are not fully resolved, particularly in the application of Heron's formula and the AM-GM inequality. The dependence on the ratio of sides and the implications of the geometric construction are also noted but not fully explored.

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Triangle ABC has $$AB=9$$ and $$BC:AC=40:41$$. What's the largest area that this triangle can have?
 
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My solution:

Let:

$$\overline{BC}=a$$

$$\overline{AC}=b$$

and we are told:

$$b=\frac{41}{40}a$$

Using Heron's formula, the area of the triangle as a function of $a$ is:

$$A(a)=\frac{9\sqrt{-81a^4+10499200a^2-207360000}}{6400}$$

The area is maximized where the radicand is maximized, hence:

$$\frac{d}{da}\left(-81a^4+10499200a^2-207360000 \right)=4a\left(5249600-81a^2 \right)=0$$

Discarding $a=0$, and taking the positive root, we find the critical value is:

$$a=\frac{40\sqrt{3281}}{9}$$

We know this is a maximum since the radicand is a quartic with a negative leading coefficient.

Thus, the maximum area is:

$$A_{\max}=A\left(\frac{40\sqrt{3281}}{9} \right)=820$$
 
Here is a geometric way to get the same answer.
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If the ratio $BC:AC$ is $40:41$ then $C$ must lie on an Apollonius circle with diameter $PQ$, where $P,Q$ lie on the line $AB$, with the ratios $BP:AP$ and $BQ:AQ$ both equal to $40:41$. Since $AB=9$, we must have $AP = 41/9$, $PB = 40/9$ and $BQ = 360.$ Thus the radius of the circle is $\frac12\bigl(360 + \frac{40}9\bigr) = 1640/9.$ The area of the triangle is obviously greatest when $C$ is at its maximum height above the line $AB$, in other words when it is directly above the centre of the circle. The height $OC$ is then the radius of the circle, and the area of the triangle is $\frac12AB*OC = \dfrac92\dfrac{1640}9 = 820.$​
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Hi MarkFL and Opalg,

Thank you so much for participating in this problem.

Opalg, your solution is definitely an ingenious approach and I have talked to MarkFL and we don't think we would have thought of that geometric approach to solve this problem!:cool:
 
anemone said:
Hi MarkFL and Opalg,

Thank you so much for participating in this problem.

Opalg, your solution is definitely an ingenious approach and I have talked to MarkFL and we don't think we would have thought of that geometric approach to solve this problem!:cool:

Not so quick...where is your solution? (Clapping)
 
My solution:

We first let the three sides of the triangle ABC be $$9,\;40k,\;41k$$.

By using the Heron's formula to find the area of the triangle ABC$$(A_{\text{triangle ABC}})$$, we see that we have

$$A_{\text{triangle ABC}}=\sqrt{\left( \frac{81k+9}{2}\right)\left(\frac{81k+9}{2}-9\right)\left(\frac{81k+9}{2}-40k\right)\left(\frac{81k+9}{2}-41k\right)}$$

$$\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;=\frac{3}{4} \sqrt{-81\left(k^4-\frac{(81^2+1)k^2}{81}+1\right)}$$

And if we let $$k^2=x$$, the equation above becomes

$$\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;=\frac{3}{4} \sqrt{-81\left(x^2-\frac{(81^2+1)x}{81}+1\right)}$$

By completing the square of the radicand, we obtain

$$\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;=\frac{3}{4} \sqrt{-81\left(x-\frac{3281}{81}\right)^2+\frac{3281^2}{81}-81}$$

Hence,

$$A_{\text{maximum}}=\frac{3}{4} \sqrt{\frac{3281^2}{81}-81}=820$$

Alternatively, we could approach this problem by applying AM-GM inequality if we write the radicand a bit differently.

$$A_{\text{triangle ABC}}=\sqrt{\left( \frac{81k+9}{2}\right)\left(\frac{81k+9}{2}-9\right)\left(\frac{81k+9}{2}-40k\right)\left(\frac{81k+9}{2}-41k\right)}$$

$$\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;= \frac{1}{4} \sqrt{ 9(9k+1)(9k-1)(9+k)(9-k)}$$

$$\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;= \frac{1}{4} \sqrt{ (9k+1)(9k-1)(81+9k)(81-9k)}$$

$$\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;\;= \frac{1}{4} \sqrt{ (81k^2-1)(81^2-81k^2)}$$

By applying AM-GM inequality to these two terms $$81k^2-1$$ and $$81^2-81k^2$$ gives

$$\frac{81k^2-1+81^2-81k^2}{2}\ge \sqrt{(81k^2-1)(81^2-81k^2)}$$

$$\sqrt{(81k^2-1)(81^2-81k^2)} \le \frac{81^2-1}{2}$$

Now, we can conclude that

$$A_{\text{maximum}}=\frac{1}{4}\left( \frac{81^2-1}{2}\right)=820$$
 
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