How to Calculate Magnetic Moment of Rotating Electrons in a Straight Line?

In summary, the conversation discusses the topic of finding the magnetic moment of two electrons rotating on the same straight line around the z axis with angular speed w in a circle of radius R. The formula for the magnetic moment, m=(1/2c)*∫dV [ r j ], is used in the solution, where c represents the speed of light. The poster initially uses CGS units, which results in a factor of 1/c in the final answer. However, upon comparing with the result for one electron, it is noted that the c factor should not be included in the final answer. The conversation then suggests using the simpler formula m=IA, where I represents current and A represents area, in order to find the magnetic
  • #1
Maximtopsecret
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Homework Statement


Here we have two electrons rotating around z axis with angular speed w in a circle of radius R. They are on the same straight line (have difference in phase π). Find the magnetic moment.

Homework Equations


Magn. moment m=(1/2c)*∫dV [ r j ]

The Attempt at a Solution


Current J=dq/dt=qw/π;
m=(qw/2cπ)*∫dr∫dφ r*r*δ(r-R)=qwR2/c
Am I right?
 
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  • #2
Is there a way you can verify this?
i.e. have you compared this answer with the magnetic moment for just one electron, same circle and speed?
 
  • #3
Oh yes, I looked up a similar problem with 1 electron. There J=q/T; therefore m=0.5qwR2
What about 1/c? Is it referred to the fact that I used CGS system of units?
 
  • #4
You should certainly compare like to like.
Where does the c come from in the derivation?

You can also check:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magmom.html
... and derive the equation for a charge q going in a circle radius R.
Note: the current I is the amount of charge passing a point on the circuit every second.
 
  • #5
Simon Bridge said:
You should certainly compare like to like.
Where does the c come from in the derivation?

You can also check:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magmom.html
... and derive the equation for a charge q going in a circle radius R.
Note: the current I is the amount of charge passing a point on the circuit every second.

Yes, I checked your link above. From their formula m=I*S it follow for 2 electrons m=qwR2 - no 1/c. This result corresponds to the result of 1 electron.
But initially I tried to apply the general formula for m=(1/2c)*∫dV [r*j]; this formula was used in class where all tasks were done using CGS units.
So, I would stick to my opinion that 1/2c comes from CGS...
 
  • #6
Maximtopsecret said:

Homework Statement


Here we have two electrons rotating around z axis with angular speed w in a circle of radius R. They are on the same straight line (have difference in phase π). Find the magnetic moment.

Homework Equations


Magn. moment m=(1/2c)*∫dV [ r j ]

The Attempt at a Solution


Current J=dq/dt=qw/π;
m=(qw/2cπ)*∫dr∫dφ r*r*δ(r-R)=qwR2/c
Am I right?
Maximtopsecret said:

Homework Statement


Here we have two electrons rotating around z axis with angular speed w in a circle of radius R. They are on the same straight line (have difference in phase π). Find the magnetic moment.

Homework Equations


Magn. moment m=(1/2c)*∫dV [ r j ]

The Attempt at a Solution


Current J=dq/dt=qw/π;
m=(qw/2cπ)*∫dr∫dφ r*r*δ(r-R)=qwR2/c
Am I right?
In SE units the c in the denominator would not be there. You on cgs or ?

Nice fancy equation but you could have just said m = IA, I = current, A = area.
 
  • #7
rude man said:
In SE units the c in the denominator would not be there. You on cgs or ?

Nice fancy equation but you could have just said m = IA, I = current, A = area.
Yes, I do use CGS here.
 
  • #8
Maximtopsecret said:
Yes, I do use CGS here.
As real physicists do! (I'm not one of them, I'm afraid) :frown:
(I meant SI of course, not SE).
rm
 

1. What is a magnetic moment?

A magnetic moment is a measure of the strength and direction of a magnetic field produced by an object or particle.

2. How is magnetic moment calculated?

Magnetic moment is calculated by multiplying the magnitude of the charge on a particle by its distance from the center of rotation and its speed of rotation.

3. What is the unit of magnetic moment?

The SI unit for magnetic moment is the ampere-square meter (A·m²).

4. How is magnetic moment used in science?

Magnetic moment is used in various areas of science, including quantum mechanics, electromagnetism, and particle physics. It is also important in understanding the properties and behavior of materials, such as ferromagnetism and paramagnetism.

5. How can one measure the magnetic moment of an object?

The magnetic moment of an object can be measured using techniques such as magnetometry, which involves using a device called a magnetometer to detect and measure the magnetic field produced by the object.

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