Find the total electrostatic energy stored in the configuration

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The discussion focuses on calculating the total electrostatic energy stored in a configuration involving a spherical conductor with charge and a surrounding jelly of constant charge density. The electric field is derived using Gauss's law, leading to expressions for different regions based on the radius. A participant points out an error in the initial formulation of the electric field, emphasizing the need for proper vector notation. The conversation also touches on the potential for alternative methods, such as using the equation U = ∫ρV d³r, but acknowledges that it would still require finding the electric field. Overall, the participants confirm that the setup of the integrals is on the right track, despite the complexity involved.
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Homework Statement


A spherical conductor of radius ##a## carries a charge ##q## and also there is a jelly of constant charge density ##\rho## per unit volume extending from radius a out to radius ##b##. Find the electrostatic energy stored in the configuration.

Homework Equations


##\oint \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{a}=\frac{Q_{enc}}{\epsilon_0}##
##U=\frac{\epsilon_0}{2}\int E^2 d^3r##

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]We first find the electric field.
##\oint \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{a}=4\pi r^2##
##Q_{enc}=\int_a^r 4\pi r'^2 \rho dr'+q=\frac{4\pi}{3}(r^3-a^3)\rho+q##
So then,
##E=\begin{cases}
0, r<a& \\\
\rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0}+ \frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0} \hat{r}, a<r<b\\
\rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0} +\frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0} \hat{r}, b\le r
\end{cases}##
Then
##E^2=\begin{cases}
0, r<a& \\\
\rho^2 \frac{(r^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2}, a<r<b\\
\rho^2 \frac{(b^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2}, b\le r
\end{cases}##
Now,
##U=\frac{\epsilon_0}{2} \int_a^b (\rho^2 \frac{(r^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2})4 \pi r^2dr+\frac{\epsilon_0}{2} \int_b^\infty (\rho^2 \frac{(b^3-a^3)^2}{9r^4 \epsilon_0^2}+ 2q \rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{12 \pi r^4\epsilon_0^2}+\frac{q}{16 \pi^2 r^4 \epsilon_0^2}) 4 \pi r^2dr##

So far, have I done everything correctly?
 
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No, your expression for the electric field is non-sensical. It should be
$$\vec{E}=\begin{cases}
0 & r<a \\
\left[\rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0}+ \frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & a<r<b \\
\left[\rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0} +\frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & b\le r
\end{cases}.$$ The way you wrote it, ##\hat{r}## only multiplies the last term, and you'd be adding a scalar to a vector, which doesn't make sense.
 
vela said:
No, your expression for the electric field is non-sensical. It should be
$$\vec{E}=\begin{cases}
0 & r<a \\
\left[\rho \frac{(r^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0}+ \frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & a<r<b \\
\left[\rho \frac{(b^3-a^3)}{3r^2 \epsilon_0} +\frac{q}{4\pi r^2\epsilon_0}\right] \hat{r} & b\le r
\end{cases}.$$ The way you wrote it, ##\hat{r}## only multiplies the last term, and you'd be adding a scalar to a vector, which doesn't make sense.
Yeah I forgot about the parentheses. Have I done everything else right?
 
can i get some help?
 
ghostfolk said:
So far, have I done everything correctly?
Yes, it looks like you're doing okay setting up the integrals.
 
gneill said:
Yes, it looks like you're doing okay setting up the integrals.
Do you think there could've been an easier method? I know there's the other equation ##U=\int \rho V d^3r##, but I felt that it would be just as tedious being that I would still need to find the electric field to get ##V##.
 
ghostfolk said:
Do you think there could've been an easier method? I know there's the other equation ##U=\int \rho V d^3r##, but I felt that it would be just as tedious being that I would still need to find the electric field to get ##V##.
I don't think you'll be able to avoid messy integrals either way.
 
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