Finding absolute minimum and maximum values

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The discussion revolves around finding the absolute minimum and maximum values of the function f(x,y) = e^(-x^2-y^2)(x^2+2y^2) on the disk defined by x^2+y^2 <= 4. Participants are exploring the critical points and the behavior of the function within the specified domain.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the differentiation of the function and the resulting equations for the partial derivatives. There are attempts to identify critical points and check for errors in previous calculations. Questions arise regarding the simplification of equations and the implications of critical points being inside or on the boundary of the disk.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and clarifying their understanding of the differentiation process. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to check both interior and boundary points for extrema, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering both critical points and boundary conditions, as well as the potential for errors in differentiation. There is an acknowledgment that examples from textbooks may not directly apply to this problem, leading to some confusion.

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Homework Statement


Find the absolute minimum and maximum values of f on the set D.

f(x,y)= e-x2-y2(x2+2y2); D is the disk x2+y2 <= 4



Homework Equations



Second Derivatives test,
partial derivatives

The Attempt at a Solution



fx(x,y) = 0 = (e-x2-y2)(-2x) + (x2+2y2)(-2x e-x2-y2)

fy(x,y) = 0 = (e-x2-y2)(4y) + (x2+2y2)(-2y e-x2-y2)

fxy(x,y) = (e-x2-y2)+(-2x)(-2y e-x2-y2) + (x2+2y2)(-2x*-2y e-x2-y2) + (-2x e-x2-y2)(4y)

fx and fy simplify to:
fx (x,y) = 1+x2+2y2 = 0
fy (x,y) = -2y+x2+2y2 = 0

I'm stymied here because the equation I get for fx seems impossible to solve. Did I make a mistake differentiating?
 
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Yes, there's a sign error in f_x. But f_y looks ok, and I don't think (4y)-(2y)*(x^2+2y^2) simplifies to what you got for f_y.
 
ah.

ok.

so I should have ended up with
fx= x2+2y2 -1 = 0 and
fy=x2+2y2-2 = 0

So to find the critical points I have to solve these two equations.

Would I be on the right track to say fxthen simplifies to (x-1)(x+1)+2y2 = 0


If so, I'm embarassed to say I'm still not sure how to proceed from here. I find the examples in my book don't really adapt themselves very well to the exercises, so I'm having trouble getting to the next step. : (
 
ok, so it looks like I got my approach wrong.

The way it's worked out it looks like the e distributes to the other term, and then I should differentiate, which yields


e-x^2-y^2*2x =- 2x^3*e-x^2-y^2

and
e-x^2-y^2 * 4y-4y^3e-x^2-y^2


which reduces to
2x(1-x^2) = 0
4y(1-y^2) = 0

so we have critical points at x=0,1,-1
and cp at y=0,1,-1

we also need to check for extreme values on the boundary.
now, the boundary function is x^2+y^2=4 so e^(-x^2+y^2) is e^-4

and means that x^2=4-y^2
so if we plug into our original function, we get

f(y)=e^-4 (4-y^2+2y^2) for -2<=y<=2

so
f&#039;(y)=e^-4*2y=0
solving for y we get y=0, and plugging that into our boundary equation x^2+y^2=4 and solving for x we get x=+/- 2

There's more, where I have to set something up with Lagrange, but I'm still working on understanding that part. I'll post the rest once I understand it a little better.
 
Of course, it doesn't necessarily follow that there is a critical point inside the circle- and even if there is the max or min are not necessarily there. It is also possible for the max or min (or both) to occur on the boundary of the set which, here, is the circle itself.
 
I get f_x=2x-2x(2y^2+x^2)*exp(...) and f_y=4y-2y(2y^2+x^2)*exp(...) and you came pretty close to getting it right the first time. I don't know what you did in your last response. I get five critical points.
 

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