Finding Angular Velocity of Pulley with Rope and Mass

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The problem involves a circular homogenic pulley with a mass and radius, rotating without friction, with a rope and mass attached. The goal is to find the angular velocity of the pulley as a function of the length of the suspended rope.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the introduction of height (h) in the energy equations, questioning its necessity and relevance. There are attempts to clarify how potential energy can be expressed without a defined height.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the formulation of energy equations and the role of height in potential energy calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the reference point for height, but no consensus has been reached on how to proceed with the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the definition of height and its implications for potential energy in the context of the problem. The original poster's approach to energy conservation is being scrutinized, particularly in relation to the inertia of the rope.

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1. Homework Statement
a circular homogenic pulley (disk) with radius R and mass of M hanging on a axis that passes through his center,
the pulley rotating without friction.
we wrap the pulley with a rope with a total mass of mr and length of L and in the other side of the rope we ataching body with a mass of m* , m* is starting to go down while rotating the disk
find the angular velocity of the pullay as function of the length of the suspanded rope -x
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Homework Equations


Ipulley=MR^2/2 - inertia torque of the pulley (in the center of mass)
Irope=mr*R^2 - inertia torque of the rope (at the beginning when wrapped)
E=0.5Iω^2 -energy to rotate the disk pulley
U=m*gh-potential energy of the mass m* at the beginning (h is not given)

The Attempt at a Solution


iv`e tried to do equations of preserving energy between the start point when we have only potential of the mass m* and to equalize it to the point when we have a total hanging mass of m**= m* + mr(x/L) in a height of (h-x) -potential energy plus kinetic energy of 0.5m**v^2 when v equal to ωR. this energy also going for the rotation of the pulley E=0.5Iω^2. I suceeded by finding the height of h with those equations: h=x+m*L/mr-ω^2R^2/2g-m*ω^2R^2L/2mrg.
but it doesn't helps me finding the relation between x and ω...
I can`t find more equation, couldn`t think of an equation that link also the inertia of the "ring" of the wrapped rope...
 
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If h is not given, why introduce it? Can't you take it as zero?
By the way, I think your energy equation is not quite right.
 
haruspex said:
If h is not given, why introduce it? Can't you take it as zero?
By the way, I think your energy equation is not quite right.
how could I express potential energy without h? or the potential energy isn`t relevantic at all?
 
DaniV said:
how could I express potential energy without h? or the potential energy isn`t relevantic at all?
maybe I misunderstood what your h is. I took it to be the initial length of the hanging rope. If it means the height of the pulley above the ground, its contribution to PE is constant. Just take the reference ground as the height of the centre of the pulley.
 

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