Finding B Using Cross Product in Magnetic Force Equation

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The discussion revolves around solving for the magnetic field B using the equation F = q(v X B) based on three experimental results. The user attempts to derive B by manipulating the cross products of velocity vectors and corresponding forces, leading to a system of equations. However, they express confusion regarding the validity of their calculations, particularly questioning the presence of an i-component in the force when the velocity vector is purely in the i-direction. The user seeks clarification on whether their approach is correct or if there are errors in their reasoning. The conversation highlights the complexities of vector cross products in magnetic force equations and the potential for multiple solutions for the magnetic field components.
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Homework Statement


find B from F=q(v X B), where F is magnetic force, q = charge, v = velocity, B = magnetic field.

Carrying out 3 experiments, we find that if
v_1 = i, (F/q)_1 = 2k - 4j
v_2 = j, (F/q)_2 = 4i - k
v_3 = k, (F/q)_3 = j - 2i

where i,j,k are the unit cartesian vectors

This is the problem 1.4.16 from Arfken's Mathematical methods for physicists

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried adding the v's and F's as follows:
[(v_1 X B)+ (v_2 X B) +(v_3 X B)] = - [(B X v_1)+ (B X v_2) +(B X v_3)] = -[B X (v_1 + v_2 + v_3)] = [(F/q)_1 + (F/q)_2 + (F/q)_3]
=> -[B X (i + j + k)] = [(2i - 4j) + (4i - k) + (j - 2i)] = 2i - 3j + k
=> [B X (i + j + k)] = -2i + 3j - k

multiplying out the cross product, I got: [B X (i + j + k)] = (B_y - B_z)i - (B_x - B_z)j + (B_x - B_y)i
=> B_y - B_z = -2
B_x - B_z = -3
B_x - B_y = -1

and this gives infinitely many solns for B_x, B_y, and B_z

is this correct? or did I screw up somewhere?
 
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proton said:
Carrying out 3 experiments, we find that if
v_1 = i, (F/q)_1 = 2i - 4j
Since v_1 = i, how can F_1 = q(v_1xB) have any component in the i direction?
 
typo on my part
 
come on, can't someone help me?
 
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