Finding charge on sphere using energy

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the charge required on a metal sphere to store a specific amount of electric energy, as well as the work needed to change the sphere's radius. The subject area includes electrostatics and energy storage in electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the energy required to add charge to the sphere and explore the relationship between charge and energy storage. There is an inquiry into the correct equations to use and the assumptions regarding charge distribution and sphere properties.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different equations and concepts related to the energy stored in a charged sphere. Some have proposed equations and calculations, while others are questioning the validity of these approaches and the assumptions made. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding whether the sphere is uniformly charged, the nature of the charge distribution, and whether it is a conductor or insulator. These factors are critical for determining the correct approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


a) What charge would need to be placed on a metal sphere such that the electric field produced stored a total of 50 J if the radius of the sphere was 18 cm?
b) How much work would need to be done to reduce the radius to 9 cm, assuming the sphere is (mechanically) easily compressible?

Homework Equations


V=(4/3)pi r2

The Attempt at a Solution


Not sure where to tackle this problem...
 
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How much work to get the first smallest bit of charge onto the sphere (from infinity)?
How about the next bit?
The bit after that?
... spot the pattern.

Either that or look up the equation for the amount of energy stored in a charged metal sphere.
 
Simon Bridge said:
How much work to get the first smallest bit of charge onto the sphere (from infinity)?
How about the next bit?
The bit after that?
... spot the pattern.

Either that or look up the equation for the amount of energy stored in a charged metal sphere.

I found this equation from the textbook.

u = 2keQ2 / R

Using this I get

50 = 2(9X109)Q2 / 0.18
0.18(50) = 2keQ2
Q2 = 9 / 2k
Q = square root (9 / 2(9X109)
Q = 2.23607 X 10-5
2.24X10-5 C

But this isn't right...
 
So how can you tell if it is the right equation?

i.e. read the book carefully: what exactly does it say this is the energy of?
 
Simon Bridge said:
So how can you tell if it is the right equation?

i.e. read the book carefully: what exactly does it say this is the energy of?

Energy stored by a charged sphere
 
need_aca_help said:
Energy stored by a charged sphere
... is that exactly what it says?

Not just what's written down - there is usually a diagram as well.

i.e. is the sphere uniformly charged? Is the charge distributed through the whole volume or just on the surface? Is the sphere a conductor or an insulator?

If you cannot narrow this down you will have to do some calculus.
 
Simon Bridge said:
... is that exactly what it says?

Not just what's written down - there is usually a diagram as well.

i.e. is the sphere uniformly charged? Is the charge distributed through the whole volume or just on the surface? Is the sphere a conductor or an insulator?

If you cannot narrow this down you will have to do some calculus.

I managed to solve the problem, using this equation:
E = 1/2QV
E = 1/2Q(kQ/r)
 
Well done ... more careful reading?
 

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