Finding Cosets of subgroup <(3,2,1)> of G = S3

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The discussion revolves around finding all cosets of the subgroup H in the group G, specifically where H is generated by the permutation (3,2,1) and G is the symmetric group S3. Participants are exploring the structure of these groups and the implications of subgroup properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the notation used for permutations and the generation of the subgroup H. There is confusion regarding the elements of H and how to correctly identify the cosets. Some participants attempt to clarify their understanding of permutation multiplication and the structure of S3.

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There is ongoing exploration of the cosets of H in G, with some participants suggesting specific elements to consider for forming cosets. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify notation and reasoning about subgroup properties, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the final formulation of the cosets.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and properties of permutations and subgroups, particularly in relation to the identity element and the structure of S3. There are indications of confusion stemming from different interpretations of subgroup generation and notation.

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Homework Statement


Find all cosets of the subgroup H in the group G given below. What is the index (G : H)?
H = <(3,2,1)>, G = S3

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I will leave out the initial (1,2,3) part of the permutation. We have S3 = {(1,2,3),(2,1,3),(3,2,1),(3,1,2),(2,3,1),(1,3,2)}

And for H we have

(3,2,1)
(3,2,1)+(3,2,1) = (3,1,2)
(3,2,1)+(3,2,1)+(3,2,1) = (3,3,3)
So H = {(3,2,1),(3,1,2),(3,3,3)}

The problem is that (3,3,3) is not in S3. If I ignore this then I find the cosets:

0 + <(3,2,1)> = {(3,2,1),(3,1,2),(3,3,3)}
1 + <(3,2,1)> = {(1,3,2),(1,2,3),(1,1,1)}
2+ <(3,2,1)> = {(2,1,3),(2,3,1),(2,2,2)}

This exhausts S3 but there are these additional elements not in it. I can't figure out what I'm missing. Any pointers?
 
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Your notation is difficult to read. Do you write a permutation ##\pi## as ##(\pi(1),\pi(2),\pi(3))\,##? And what do you mean by ##0,1,2\,?##

Usually we write a permutation as e.g. ##(1,3)=\begin{pmatrix}1&2&3\\3&2&1\end{pmatrix}\,:\,1 \mapsto 3 \mapsto 1\; , \; 2## is fixed.
So especially what is ##H##? Is it ##\langle (3,2,1) \rangle##, that is ##3 \mapsto 2 \mapsto 1 \mapsto 3## or ##\langle (1,3) \rangle##, which is ##1 \mapsto 3 \mapsto 1\;?##
 
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Okay, so this makes more sense now. I was in the mindset of Zn when I saw H.
So we have S3 = {(1)(2)(3), (1)(2, 3), (3)(1, 2), (1, 2, 3), (1, 3, 2), (2)(1, 3)}

With H = <(3,2,1)>
Using permutation multiplication to generate H we get:
(3,2,1)^1 = (3,2,1) = (1,3,2)
(3,2,1)^2 = (1,2,3)
(3,2,1)^3 = (1)(2)(3) = id
(3,2,1)^4 = (1,3,2)
(3,2,1)^5 = (1,2,3)
(3,2,1)^6 = (1)(2)(3) = id

H = {(1,3,2), (1,2,3), (1)(2)(3)}

So I need to find some permutations g, p such that
pH = H, so p = (1)(2)(3) = id
And
gH = {(1)(2,3), (3)(1,2), (2)(1,3)}

These will be the two left cosets of H in S3

Is that a correct formulation? Is there a general method you'd use to find this or is it just trial and error?

Thanks so much for the help
 
Wait I think I just figured it out. Since one of the elements of H is the identity element g must be one of the three elements listed in gH.
 
Looks a lot better, thanks.
Prof. 27 said:
Since one of the elements of H is the identity element g must be one of the three elements listed in gH.
Yes. In general we have ##G = g_1H \cup g_2H \cup \ldots##, i.e. the set ##G## will be written as disjoint union of subsets ##g_iH##. The ##g_iH## all have the same number of elements. In our case ##|G|=|S_3|=6## and ##|H|=3##, since as you correctly said ##H=\{\,1\, , \,(1,2,3)\, , \,(1,3,2)\,\}##. That leaves us with ##6:3=2=|G/H|=[G\, : \,H]## many subsets ##g_iH##.

Now one of them is clearly ##H=1\cdot H## itself, as ##1 \in G##. The other one has to be ##g\cdot H## with ##g\notin H##, say ##g=(1,2)\,.##
Thus we get as the other coset ##(1,2)\cdot H = \{\,(1,2)(1,2,3)=(2,3)\, , \,(1,2)(1,3,2)=(1,3)\, , \,(1,2) \cdot 1=(1,2)\,\}\,.##

This construction works well with every subgroup of ##G##. Now in case ##H## is a normal subgroup, we can even define a group structure on the set of cosets, that is, ##G/H=\{\,H\, , \,g_1H\, , \,g_2H\, , \,\ldots \,\}## is a again a group with ##g_i H\cdot g_j H =(g_ig_j) \cdot H## . This is the basic difference between a subgroup and a normal subgroup. In our case ##H \cong \mathbb{Z}_3 \triangleleft S_3 =G## is a normal subgroup and ##G/H = \{\,H\, , \,(1,2)H\,\} \cong \mathbb{Z}_2##.
 
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