Finding Forces in a 2D Bridge: Determining Pressure and Tension

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The discussion revolves around analyzing forces in a two-dimensional bridge structure, specifically determining which components are under tension and which are under compression, as well as calculating the magnitudes of these forces. The scenario involves a car of mass M placed on the bridge, with considerations for the lengths and densities of the structural components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the Pythagorean theorem to determine lengths and the concept of free body diagrams to analyze forces. Questions arise regarding the identification of tension and compression in the structural members, as well as the calculation of force magnitudes.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the forces acting on the bridge, with some participants suggesting the necessity of free body diagrams and questioning the nature of the forces involved. Multiple interpretations of force interactions are being considered, particularly regarding the symmetry of forces and their effects on stability.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of assuming vertical forces from the supports and discuss the implications of these assumptions on the calculations of tension and compression in the bridge structure. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the roles of different structural members.

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Homework Statement


We have this bridge, which is 2D - as shown picture.
How I determine which sticks are subjected to pressure and which tension? How big are these forces? Sticks are intangible, mass of car is M. From the picture, we can determine the length of the sticks.
Picture: http://fykos.cz/rocnik26/obrazky/s4u5_zadani.png

Note: As we proceed, if sticks length density will be p?


2. The attempt at a solution
If one square has length one meter, then:
Line AB, AE, BE, CD, CE, DE I determine by Pythagorean theorem. I think the pressure is only in line BC. In others line is tension.
BC: F= g * m... This is the result for BC?

With the tension, however, I never calculate. I have no idea what to do, although I was looking for, I have not found good formula. Could you please advise me?

Note:
If they have a rod length density, then their weight will be m = p * l
However, that again is all I can think...

Thanks very much and sorry for my bad English.
 
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Numeriprimi said:

Homework Statement


We have this bridge, which is 2D - as shown picture.
How I determine which sticks are subjected to pressure and which tension?

Hello, did You try to draw a free body diagram?
 
hello,

I draw it my self also, please take a look.

I suppose that the car is in the middle of the bridge, and that the "mirrored" forces are identical.
 

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Interesting, but why? Never occurred to me that these forces are opposite.
And applies F_2 = F_1 for size also?
And then how would the size count?
According to the original composition of forces mg?
 
mishek said:
I draw it my self also, please take a look.

I suppose that the car is in the middle of the bridge, and that the "mirrored" forces are identical.
Small mistake... CE should be F1, not F2.
Interesting, but why? Never occurred to me that these forces are opposite.
For E to be stable, some forces must act upward there (compression) and some downward (tension). If AE is under tension then AB will rotate clockwise about B, so AE is under compression. Likewise DE, so BE and CE must be under tension.
To solve for all the forces, it will be necessary to assume that the forces from the supports at the ends of the bridge are vertical.
 

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