Finding Minimum and Maximum with Trigonometric Functions: y=sin x+cos x

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The discussion revolves around finding the minimum and maximum values of the function y = sin x + cos x, utilizing trigonometric identities and calculus concepts such as derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the first derivative of the function and its implications for identifying critical points. There are differing opinions on the correctness of the initial attempts, with some questioning the interpretation of results and others providing alternative formulations using trigonometric identities.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of the critical points derived from the derivative. Some participants offer insights into trigonometric identities that may clarify the problem, while others express uncertainty about the initial conclusions drawn.

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There is mention of potential requirements to list maximum and minimum points separately, which may influence how participants approach the problem. Additionally, the discussion reflects varying levels of agreement on the correctness of the initial attempts.

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Minimum/Maximum occurs when the first derivative=0

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$$y=\sin{x}+\cos{x}~\rightarrow~y'=\cos{x}-\sin{x}$$
$$y'=0:~\rightarrow~\cos{x}=\sin{x}~\rightarrow~x=\frac{\pi}{4}+n\cdot \pi$$
It's not correct
 

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Karol said:
It's not correct
Yes it is.
 
What makes you think it is not correct?
 
$$y(max)=45^0+2\pi k,~y(min)=225^0+2\pi k$$
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Karol said:
$$y=\sin{x}+\cos{x}$$

There's a nice trig formula that gives:

##\sin x + \cos x = \sqrt{2}\sin(x + \frac{\pi}{4})##

Which hopefully settles the issue, if nothing else does.
 
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PeroK said:
There's a nice trig formula that gives:

##\sin x + \cos x = \sqrt{2}\sin(x + \frac{\pi}{4})##

Which hopefully settles the issue, if nothing else does.
Just to add some middle steps
$$
\sin(x) + \cos(x) = \sqrt{2}[\sin(x)/\sqrt 2 + \cos(x)/\sqrt 2] = \sqrt 2 [\sin(x)\cos(\pi/4) + \cos(x)\sin(\pi/4)] = \sqrt 2 \sin(x+ \pi/4).
$$
 
## y'=0:~\rightarrow~\cos{x}=\sin{x}~\rightarrow~x=\frac{\pi}{4}+n\cdot \pi ##
Karol said:
$$y(max)=45^0+2\pi k,~y(min)=225^0+2\pi k$$

Both agree. The original says, there is a max or min at ##\frac {\pi}{4} + n \pi \ \ \ ie. \frac {\pi}{4}, 5 \frac {\pi}{4}, 9 \frac {\pi}{4}, 13 \frac {\pi}{4}, etc. ##
The later simply separates them into max and min points with maxima at ## \frac {\pi}{4}, 9 \frac {\pi}{4}, 17 \frac {\pi}{4}, etc ##
and minima at ## 5 \frac {\pi}{4}, 13 \frac {\pi}{4}, etc. ##

Your first answer was not wrong, just inadequate if you were required to list them separately.
 

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