Finding Net Force: Solve w/ F=ma

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The discussion focuses on calculating the net force exerted by two crates using Newton's second law, F=ma. It clarifies that the force exerted by the smaller crate on the larger one can be derived from the total applied force and the masses of both crates. The correct force on the 20 kg crate is determined to be 30N, calculated by considering the acceleration of the system and the mass ratio. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding horizontal forces, as gravity does not directly affect horizontal motion unless friction is involved. Overall, the participants aim to clarify the calculations ahead of an upcoming test.
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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


According to Newton's 3rd law, the box pushes back on the person 36N. But I don't know how you find how much force the smaller crate exerts on the larger one.
 
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If there is a net force pushing on both crates of 36N, then the crates are accelerating aren't they?

If the 20 kg crate is accelerating at that rate, then what must the force be on it to make it accelerate at that rate?
 


I'm not sure I totally understand how they got 30N as an answer. Our test is coming up soon and I was worried if the multiple choice might be closer to the real answer like C. 25 D.33
Weight is a measurement of force so I used w=mg. 20kg*9.8=196N ??
 


okgo said:
I'm not sure I totally understand how they got 30N as an answer. Our test is coming up soon and I was worried if the multiple choice might be closer to the real answer like C. 25 D.33
Weight is a measurement of force so I used w=mg. 20kg*9.8=196N ??

F = m*a

Sure m*g is weight normal to the surface, but you are dealing with horizontal motion which has no interaction with gravity, unless there is friction dependent on the weight.

Your concern here is horizontal forces..

As to where the 30 comes from :

F2 = m2/(m1+m2)*F = 20/24*36 = 30
 


Or more formally since you know acceleration for the system is a constant a, then you know that

F2/m2 = F/(m1+m2)

Hence

F2 = m2/(m1+m2)*F

where F is the total applied force.
 
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