Finding Solace in Favourite Quotes: Escaping Despair with Words of Wisdom

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The discussion centers around sharing favorite quotes, highlighting a diverse range of humorous, philosophical, and insightful sayings. Participants reference quotes from notable figures such as Robin Williams, Friedrich Nietzsche, and Albert Einstein, showcasing a mix of humor and depth. The conversation touches on various themes, including the nature of relationships, societal observations, and reflections on life. Notable quotes include Williams' take on divorce, Nietzsche's thoughts on women, and Einstein's musings about existence. The dialogue also features light-hearted banter about the quotes themselves, with some participants sharing personal favorites and engaging in playful commentary. Overall, the thread encapsulates a rich tapestry of thoughts that resonate with humor and wisdom, reflecting the varied tastes and perspectives of the contributors.
  • #251
In Washington [D.C.], people lie while on the record, and tell the truth while off the record. In the Middle East, people tell the truth while on the record, and lie while off the record. - Thomas L. Friedman, NY Times
 
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  • #252
Husband (to wife) - Please don't yell so loudly.

Wife (to husband) - If it wasn't loud, I wouldn't be yelling.
 
  • #253
Comedian Bill Burr on marriage:

Is this the line to loose half my sh*t? Awesome!
 
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  • #254
WASHINGTON (AP) -- After 10 years of research on a project that was supposed to take only five years, a Canadian industrial psychologist found in a giant study that not only is procrastination on the rise...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/01/11/procrastination.nation.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
 
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  • #255
In an effort to save the American farmer, Bio-Willie - aka country singing legend Willie Nelson - is one of the leaders in promoting and producing biodiesel made from domestically grown seed stocks. He also drives a Mercedes that runs on locally produced biodiesel. Proudly displayed in the window is a sticker that reads: No war required.
 
  • #256
When you hate someone, you hate something in him that is already a part of you. What isn't a part of you should not affect you.

Herman Hesse
 
  • #257
"I am your king!"
"Well, I didn't vote for you"

"Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony."

Yes, I watched it once again today :biggrin:
 
  • #258
Dedekind expressed the opinion about the concept of a set. He imagined a set as a closed sack containing definite objects which are not seen, and of which nothing is known except that they are existing and are definite. Some time later Cantor made known his idea of a set. He raised his colossal figure, with lifted arm he made an imposing gesture, and with a glance in an indefinite direction he said, "I imagine a set to be like an abyss."
Emmy Noether
 
  • #259
fourier jr said:
Dedekind expressed the opinion about the concept of a set. He imagined a set as a closed sack containing definite objects which are not seen, and of which nothing is known except that they are existing and are definite. Some time later Cantor made known his idea of a set. He raised his colossal figure, with lifted arm he made an imposing gesture, and with a glance in an indefinite direction he said, "I imagine a set to be like an abyss."
Emmy Noether

Emmy Noether- interesting life of a female mathematician:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmy_Noether
 
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  • #260
Why do real estate agents get head shots?
- comedian on Letterman whose name I didn't get.

Of course that opens the whole can of worms; for example:
Why do we park on driveways and drive on parkways?
 
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  • #261
I have nothing, I owe a great deal, and the rest I leave to the poor.
Francois Rabelais' will :-p

Effort is only effort when it begins to hurt.
Jose Ortega y Gasset

Every kind of science, if it has only reached a certain degree of maturity, automatically becomes a part of mathematics.
David Hilbert

Those who say they never have time do the least.
Georg Lichtenberg

Logic, it appears to me, teaches us to test the conclusiveness of an argument already discovered, but I do not believe that it teaches us to discover correct arguments and demonstrations.
Galileo

The great also make mistakes, and some of them make so many you are almost tempted to think they weren't great at all.
Georg Lichtenberg
 
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  • #262
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Clarke

"Yippie ka yay m*****-******!" -McClane
 
  • #263
"If you fall, you're fired before you hit the ground" :smile:

words of encouragement from a construction formean as we prepared to walk high iron. I guess you have to walk the iron to appreciate the humor. :biggrin:
 
  • #264
You're just jealous because all the voices are talking to me

I remember Seeing this on a t-shirt and thought it was brilliant
 
  • #265
"You believe I'm the devil, maybe its because I've lived in hell and I am trying to get out"

~Blood Diamond Movie (if I recall correctly)
 
  • #266
" I'm Winston Wolfe. I solve problems. "

~Pulp Fiction
 
  • #267
Education, education, education.

Tony Blair 1996.

Cracks me up every time :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:
 
  • #268
GregA said:
You're just jealous because all the voices are talking to me

I remember Seeing this on a t-shirt and thought it was brilliant


a guy i work with has a shirt that says '"i'm not a doctor but i'll take a look anyway" :smile:
it would be a good one to wear to a bar :-p
 
  • #269
"If you can't beat them or join them, then do something weird."

~author unknown

The capacity to learn is a gift;
The ability to learn is a skill;
The willingness to learn is a choice.

~Dune: House Harknonnen, p. 437
 
  • #270
Warrenton, West Virginia newspaper:

IMPORTANT NOTICE:
If you are one of the hundreds of parachuting enthusiasts who bought our "Easy Sky Diving" book, please make the following correction: on page 8, line7, the words "state zip code" should have read "pull rip cord".
 
  • #271
"I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three."
~Elayne Boosler
 
  • #272
"President Bush claims that he has prayed every day since taking office.

HE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE!" - Jay Leno
 
  • #273
"The educated person must be taught that it is not a disgrace to fail,
and that he must analyse for every failure to find its cause.
He must learn to fail intelligently,
for failing is one of the greatest arts in the world." C.F.Kettering

Oh and Spike Milligan's Epitaph:

"I told you I was ill"
 
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  • #274
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/George_Bernard_Shaw/

Every single one of them are a gem.

But here's my favourites.

If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a conclusion.

Martyrdom is the only way in which a man can become famous without ability.

Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it.

You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race.

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

You are going to let the fear of poverty govern your life and your reward will be that you will eat, but you will not live.

The worst sin toward our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity.

When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty.

We have no more right to consume happiness without producing it than to consume wealth without producing it.

Parentage is a very important profession, but no test of fitness for it is ever imposed in the interest of the children.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.

He knows nothing; and he thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career.

Beware of the man whose God is in the skies.

Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few.

Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.

This is the true joy in life, the being used for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one; the being thoroughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap; the being a force of Nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy.

There is only one religion, though there are a hundred versions of it.

The fickleness of the women I love is only equalled by the infernal constancy of the women who love me.

All professions are conspiracies against the laity.

Alcohol is the anesthesia by which we endure the operation of life.

Americans adore me and will go on adoring me until I say something nice about them.

Capitalism has destroyed our belief in any effective power but that of self interest backed by force.

Do not waste your time on Social Questions. What is the matter with the poor is Poverty; what is the matter with the rich is Uselessness.

Find enough clever things to say, and you're a Prime Minister; write them down and you're a Shakespeare.

Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated.

Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history.

I'm an atheist and I thank God for it. (he was agnostic)

Youth is a wonderful thing. What a crime to waste it on children

George Bernard Shaw.

And more of an anecdote from Bertrand Russel I rather liked.

Bertrand Russell was a well known British philosopher of the 20th century. He was arrested during World War I for anti-war activities, and filled out a form at the jail. The officer, noting that Russell had defined his religious affiliation as "Agnostic" commented: "Ah yes; we all worship Him in our own way, don't we." This comment allegedly "kept him smiling through his first few days of incarceration."
 
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  • #275
Help me find this quote!

It's something similar to

"one would be surprised at how little is actually said about them in their absence"

"one would be disappointed to find out how little is said about them behind their backs"

What is this quote? I thought I had either posted it in this thread or someone else did. I can't find it now.
 
  • #276
Evo said:
Help me find this quote!

It's something similar to

"one would be surprised at how little is actually said about them in their absence"

"one would be disappointed to find out how little is said about them behind their backs"

What is this quote? I thought I had either posted it in this thread or someone else did. I can't find it now.
That would seem to belong in a thread on 'ego'. :smile:

I heard an interview with Norman Mailer the other day where he said something to the effect that he loves to give grief to those who are 'overly happy with themselves.' :smile:
 
  • #277
Schrodinger's Dog, that's a strong collection of quotes dude!
 
  • #278
ranger said:
Schrodinger's Dog, that's a strong collection of quotes dude!

Gambling promises the poor what property performs for the rich--something for nothing.


George Bernard Shaw

https://www.physicsforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9074&stc=1&d=1170624845

I forgot one, I'm a big admirer of his work: a philosopher,author and fighter for human rights by profession, obscenely rich off his literary works, Nobel prize winner and general all round philanthropist, raised under order of his parents to be an agnostic and uncompromisingly vegetarian:smile:. In a world full of hypocrites, I think GBS was one of the truly great minds of the 20th century.

Author of works such as Pygmalian(on the stage as:My Fair Lady)St Joan, Man And Superman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw

Shaw's career started with frustration and near poverty. Neither music criticism (written under the name of a family friend) nor a telephone company job lasted very long, and only two of the five novels Shaw wrote between 1879 and 1883 found publishers: Cashel Byron’s Profession (1882), a novel about prizefighting as an occupation that anticipates the theme of prostitution as an antisocial profession in the play Mrs. Warren’s Profession (1893), and An Unsocial Socialist (1883). By the mid-1880s Shaw discovered the writings of Karl Marx and turned to socialist polemics and critical journalism. He also became a firm (and lifelong) believer in vegetarianism, a spellbinding orator, and tentatively, a playwright. He was the force behind the newly founded (1884) Fabian Society, a middle-class socialist group that aimed at the transformation of English government and society. In 1887, Shaw spoke and marched in the Bloody Sunday demonstrations that ended up as a riot in Trafalgar Square. Through the Fabian Society’s founders, Sidney and Beatrice Webb, Shaw met the Irish heiress Charlotte Payne-Townshend, whom he married in 1898, soon after his earnings as a writer made him financially self-sufficient.

Shaw’s early journalism ranged from book reviews and art criticism to music columns (many of them championing the controversial work of the German composer Richard Wagner) from 1888 to 1890 under the signature “Corno di Bassetto” (basset horn), later under his own initials. Shifting to the Saturday Review as drama critic, a post he held from 1895 to 1898, Shaw became the champion of the Norwegian dramatist Henrik Ibsen, about whom he had already written his influential The Quintessence of Ibsenism (1891).

Playwriting

Shaw was a novelist, critic, pamphleteer, essayist, inveterate letter writer, politician and public speaker, but he is by far best known today as a playwright. He did not finish his first play, however, until in his mid-30s. Shaw was born at 33 Synge Street in Dublin, Ireland to rather poor Church of Ireland parents, George Carr Shaw (1814-1885) and Lucinda Elizabeth (Gurly) (1830-1913). Shaw had two sisters, Lucinda Frances (1853-1920), a singer of musical comedy and light opera, and Elinor Agnes (1854-1876); both died of tuberculosis.

Shaw was educated at Wesley College, Dublin and moved to London during the 1870s to embark on his literary career. He wrote five novels, none of which was published, before finding his first success in the late 1880s as a music critic on the Star newspaper, under the pseudonym "Corno di Bassetto". From 1895 to 1898, Shaw was the drama critic on Frank Harris's Saturday Review.

During this time, Shaw became a socialist and joined the Fabian Society. He was heavily involved in politics and even held office as a borough councilor in the St. Pancras district of London from 1897 to 1903. While Shaw's political beliefs inform his plays, they do not generally overwhelm them.

Shaw started working on his first play, Widower's Houses, in 1885, in collaboration with critic William Archer. Archer, who came up with the structure, felt Shaw was no playwright (an opinion he apparently never changed), and the project was abandoned. Years later, Shaw gave it another shot and, in 1892, completed his first play—alone.

Widower's Houses debuted at London's Royalty Theatre on December 9, 1892. Shaw would later call it one of his worst works, but he had found his medium. He would go on to write over 50 plays, most of them full-length.

Many of his earliest pieces had to wait years to receive major productions in London, but they are still being performed today. Among them are Mrs. Warren's Profession (1893), Arms and the Man (1894), Candida (1894) and You Never Can Tell (1895).

His first financial success as a playwright came from Richard Mansfield's American production of The Devil's Disciple (1897). Shaw, in fact, would often see his plays succeed in America (and Germany) before they did in London.

The ideas in his earliest theatrical work were unconventional, and his wit unmatched by contemporaries (save Oscar Wilde), but his plays were still designed for the theatre of his time. Once he became more experienced, and more popular, his plays tended to be less compact and talkier, though no less successful. These works from what might be called the beginning of his "middle" period include Caesar and Cleopatra (1898), Man and Superman (1903), Major Barbara (1905) and The Doctor's Dilemma (1906).

From 1904 to 1907, several of his plays had their London premieres in notable productions at the Court Theatre, managed by Harley Granville-Barker and J.E. Vedrenne.

His first original play performed at the Court, John Bull's Other Island (1904), though not one of his more popular plays today, made his reputation in London when, during a command performance for King Edward VII, the King laughed so hard he broke his chair.

By the 1910s, Shaw was a well-established playwright. New works such as Fanny's First Play (1911) and Pygmalion (1912)—on which My Fair Lady was based—had long runs in front of large London audiences. (Even though Oscar Straus's The Chocolate Soldier (1908)--an adaptation of Arms And The Man--was very popular, Shaw detested it and for the rest of his life forbade any musicalization of his work, including a potential Franz Lehar operetta based on Pygmalion. Only after Shaw's death did My Fair Lady become possible.)

Many feel Shaw's outlook was changed by World War I, a war he—quite unpopularly—opposed. His first full-length piece presented after the War, written mostly during it, was Heartbreak House (1919). This seemed to be a new Shaw; the wit was still there, but the action and theme were darker, almost despairing at times.

In 1921, Shaw completed Back to Methuselah, his "Metabiological Pentateuch." The massive, five-play work starts in the Garden of Eden and ends thousands of years in the future. Shaw claimed it was a masterpiece, but many critics did not share that opinion.

His next original play, however, is generally conceded to be one of his best, Saint Joan (1923). Shaw had long thought of writing about Joan of Arc, and her recent canonization spurred him on. It was an international success, and is believed to have led to his Nobel Prize in Literature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:George_Bernard_Shaw_1934-12-06.jpg

He continued writing plays for the rest of his life, but very few of them are as notable—or as often revived—as his earlier work. The Apple Cart (1929) was probably his most popular work of this era. Later full-length plays like Too True to Be Good (1931)[1], On the Rocks (1933)[2], The Millionairess (1935), and Geneva (1938) have been seen as marking a decline. His last significant play, In Good King Charles Golden Days[3] has, according to St. John Ervine, passages that are equal to Shaw's major works. His last full-length work was Buoyant Billions (1946–48)[4], written when he was in his nineties.

Many of Shaw's published plays come with lengthy prefaces. These tend to be essays more about Shaw's opinions on the issues dealt with in the plays than about the plays themselves. Some prefaces are much longer than the actual play. For example, the Penguin Books edition of his one-act The Shewing-up Of Blanco Posnet (1909)[5] has a 67-page preface for the 29-page piece.

One of the world's most notable theatrical voices was silenced when Shaw died in 1950 at the age of 94 due to a fall from a ladder.[2]
 

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  • #279
3trQN said:
"The educated person must be taught that it is not a disgrace to fail,
and that he must analyse for every failure to find its cause.
He must learn to fail intelligently,
for failing is one of the greatest arts in the world." C.F.Kettering

Mistakes are almost always of a sacred nature. Never try to correct them. On the contrary: rationalize them, understand them thoroughly. After that, it will be possible for you to sublimate them.
Salvador Dali

The great also make mistakes, and some of them make so many you are almost tempted to think they weren't great at all.
Georg Lichtenberg

some other person (bertrand russell maybe) said something like "people who lack any vices are very likely lacking in virtues also", that's another good one.
 
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  • #280
I'm not aware of any such Bertrand Russell quote. If you ever do find the exact quote, let me know and I'll add it to my list of favorite Russell quotes.
 
  • #281
ranger said:
I'm not aware of any such Bertrand Russell quote. If you ever do find the exact quote, let me know and I'll add it to my list of favorite Russell quotes.

no, it's not russell; I thought it may have been either La Rochefoucauld or Georg Lichtenberg but it's not them either, it's abe lincoln:
"It's my experience that folks who have no vices have generally very few virtues."
wikiquote says lincoln heard someone else say it when he was on a train.

along the same lines la rochefoucauld DID write this one:
"Only the great are entitled to great faults."
 
  • #282
~"It's not possible to take a bad picture of a pig" - National Geographic Photographer.
 
  • #283
...It hit a line of small craters in the sand and began to turn to starboard, careering towards Klemantaski, who, viewing events through a telescopic lens, misjudged the distance and continued filming. Hearing the approaching roar he looked up from his viewfinder to see Panjandrum, shedding live rockets in all directions, heading straight for him. As he ran for his life, he glimpsed the assembled admirals and generals diving for cover behind the pebble ridge into barbed-wire entanglements...
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=114542
 
  • #284
I know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military is a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.
- Barack Obama, October, 2002
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16903253/page/2/
 
  • #285
- A woodchuck should chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood, as long as a woodchuck would chuck wood.
- Oh, shut up!
 
  • #286
You're not really famous until you're a PEZ dispenser...

We had signed our lives away. I had to pay George [Lucas] two dollars every time I looked at myself in the mirror.

- Carrie Fisher [Princess Leia from Star Wars]
 
  • #287
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but it's my favorite.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."
- Thomas Jefferson
 
  • #288
ranger said:
I'm not aware of any such Bertrand Russell quote. If you ever do find the exact quote, let me know and I'll add it to my list of favorite Russell quotes.

Not one of his quotes more of an anecdote.
 
  • #289
In order to appreciate this story, note the accent marks.

I was watching some super-wacko UFO contactee stuff from the fifties and sixties [unfortunately, it goes with the turf]. There was some guy wearing a full native American headdress, and talking about his meeting with people on a flying saucer from “O’rean”. “And I don’t mean Ori’on”, he specified. “I mean O’rean. It is a planet outside of our galax’y”.
 
  • #290
The most important thing I would learn in school was that almost everything I would learn in school would be utterly useless. When I was fifteen I knew the principal industries of the Ruhr Valley, the underlying causes of World War One and what Peig Sayers had for her dinner every day...What I wanted to know when I was fifteen was the best way to chat up girls. That is what I still want to know.
From the Secret World of the Irish Male by Joseph O'Connor

True friends stab you in the front. :rolleyes:
Oscar Wilde

Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.
Oscar Wilde

He knows nothing; and he thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career.
George Bernard Shaw - He foresaw GWBush.

http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/Quotes/WitHumor.html
 
  • #291
"I'm not going to kiss or date anyone until I'm married" - teenage daughter of a fundamentalist.
 
  • #292
The quotes of Lao Ma:

-Fill yourself with desire and see only illusion. Empty yourself of desire and understand the great mystery of things.

-To conquer others is to have power. To conquer yourself is to know the way.

-The entire world is driven by a will, blind and ruthless. In order to transcend the limitations of that world, you need to stop willing, stop desiring, stop hating.

-Heaven endures and the Earth lasts a long time because they do not live for themselves. Therefore she who would live a long time should live for others, serve others.
 
  • #293
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they get up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day."

--Frank Sinatra
 
  • #294
"Does it bother you when I torture you?"

-- Evo (20:15 EDT, 23 March 07)
 
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  • #295
Apropos member quotes, here's one I find brilliant:

"boy are you naive. we are building a totally artificial persona here that we live with in in our fantasies. E.g. I have pretended for years here to understand tensors, whereas actually they scare me to death."

mathwonk
 
  • #296
radou said:
"boy are you naive. we are building a totally artificial persona here that we live with in in our fantasies. E.g. I have pretended for years here to understand tensors, whereas actually they scare me to death."

mathwonk

:smile: Great quote from a great member.

It reminds me of another great quote by Integral. It was in some GR thread a while ago, and it was full of tensor notation. Integral said something to the effect that he would love to get involved, but "I get tenser around tensors."
:smile: :smile: :smile:
 
  • #297
To be lacking in everything but intelligence is the necessary qualification of thinking like you--Unamuno
Para pensar cual tu, solo es preciso no tener nada mas que inteligensia.

It is no small recommendation when a book will stand the test of mere unobstructed sunshine and daylight--Thoreau
 
  • #298
I say then that the hardships of the student are these: first of all, poverty -- not because they are all poor, but to put the case as strongly as possible -- and when I say that they suffer poverty I do not think that there is anything more to say about their misery; for the poor man lacks everything that is good. This poverty they suffer in various forms: sometimes hunger, sometimes cold, sometimes nakedness, sometimes all of them together. But, all the same, things are not so bad that they do not eat, although it may be a little later than thye are used to, or from the leavings of the rich man's table; for what students call "going on the soup", or begging for their supper is their worst misery. And moreover they do share someone's brazier or hearth, which may not warm them but at least takes the edge off the cold; and, last of all, they sleep under cover at night. I do not want to go into other details -- lack of shirts, for instance, and shortage of shoes, or scanty and threadbare clothing -- or to describe their way of stuffing themselves over-eagerly when Fortune sends them a feast. But by the rough and difficult path which I have indicated, stumbling at times and falling, getting up and falling once more, they do acquire the degree they desire. And when they have got it, I have seen many of them, once passed through those shoals, those Scyllas & Charybdises, as if borne on the wings of Fortune's favour; -- I say that we have seen them command and govern the world from an armchair, their hunger exchanged for a full stomach, their cold for a pleasant coolness, their nakedness for fine clothes, and their sleep on a mat for a comfortable rest on fine linen and damask: the justly merited rewards of their virtue.
Don Quixote on students

After studying Newton's work on gravitation we considered the question: What is gravity and how does it act? We found that in that case, too, that we had no understanding of the action of gravitation. We have a mathematical law describing the quantitative value of this force and, by using this law and laws of motion, we can predict effects that can be experimentally checked. The central concept of gravitation, however, remains unknown. We see, then that at the heart of our best scientific theories is mathematics or, more accurately, some formulas and their consequences. The firm, bold design of a scientific theory is mathematical. Our mental constructions have outrun our intuitive and sense perceptions. In both theories, gravitation and electromagnetism, we must confess our ignorance of the basic mechanisms and leave the task of representing what we know to mathematics. We may lose pride in making this confession, but we may gain understanding of the true state of affairs. We can appreciate now what Alfred North Whitehead meant when he said, "The paradox is now fully established that the utmost abstractions [of mathematics] are the true weapons with which to control our thought of concrete facts."
Morris Kline

It was Newton's work that presented humanity with a new world order, a universe controlled by a few mathematical laws, which in turn were deduced from a common set of mathematically expressible physical principles. Here was a majestic scheme that embraced the fall of a stone, the tides of the oceans, the motions of the planets & their moons, the defiant sweep of comets, and the brilliant, stately motion of the canopy of stars. The Newtonian scheme was decisive in convincing the world that nature is mathematically designed and that the true laws of nature are mathematical... Man today uses the Newtonian theory to send people to the moon, to send spaceships to photograph planets such as Mars and Saturn, and to launch satellites the circle the Earth (an idea that had occurred to Newton). All of the planning based on the mathematical theory works perfectly. Any misadventures would result from the failure of human mechanisms.
Morris Kline

What I say will or will not come to pass.
Kepler's disclaimer to his clients

i recently read 'they thought they were free' by milton mayer, who in the late 1940s (i think) interviewed 10 "ordinary" germans (a tailer, a baker, a policeman, etc etc) who were members of the nazi party during the 1930s & 1940s, & asked what germany was like at the time & why they joined the party, etc. chapter 13 was by far the most interesting imo, because it shows how similar the attitudes of the germans towards their government was to other countries (like the United States & especially the red states if you ask me). here's what a philologist had to say in chap 13:
"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it...
...To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it -- please try to believe me -- unless one had a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so 'regretted,' that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these 'little measures' that no 'patriotic German' could resent must someday lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head...
..."Once the war began," my colleague continued, "resistance, protest, criticism, complaint, all carried with them a multiplied likelihood of the greatest punishment. Mere lack of enthusiasm, or failure to show it in public, was "defeatism." You assumed that there were lists of those who would be "dealt with" later, after the victory. Goebbels was very clever here, too. He continually promised a "victory orgy" to "take care of" those who thought that their "treasonable attitude" had escaped notice. And he meant it; that was not just propaganda. And that was enough to put an end to all uncertainty.""
(the last bit describes people like bill o'reilly, ann coulter & tucker carlson perfectly)

the same philologist talked about 'pastor niemoller' in the same chapter a bit later on; i wondered for the longest time where this famous quotation came from:
"Pastor Niemoller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something -- but then it was too late."

the whole chapter is here:
http://www.thirdreich.net/Thought_They_Were_Free.html
 
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Regarding the different smells produced by alternative fuels for automobiles and trucks - used cooking oils that smells like the food cooked, such as McDiesel, or the officially dubbed "clean laundry" smell of hydrogen combustion - from Alan Alda [actor].

That will be a thing that people do; smelling each others tailpipes

absolutely prophetic! :biggrin:
 
  • #300
Does the walker choose the path or path the walker ?

Garth Nix
 

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