Finding the amplitude in simple harmonic motion

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The discussion revolves around a block-spring system undergoing simple harmonic motion (SHM). The original poster is attempting to determine the amplitude of the motion given specific parameters, including angular frequency, frequency, period, and initial displacement from equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the equation for SHM to find the amplitude but encounters confusion regarding the calculations and the implications of the phase constant. Some participants clarify the relationship between position and amplitude at different points in the motion.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the correct application of the SHM equation and clarifying misunderstandings about the relationship between position and amplitude at various points in the cycle. There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some guidance offered on the interpretation of the equations used.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that the block starts from its maximum displacement, and the discussion highlights the importance of understanding the phase of motion in relation to the amplitude. The original poster's calculations are noted to be based on an incorrect interpretation of the position at a quarter period.

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Homework Statement



Consider a block-spring system that forms a linear simple harmonic oscillator, with the block undergoing SHM. The angular frequency is 9.78 rad/s, the frequency is 1.6 Hz and the period is 640 msec. The block is pulled from its equilibrium position at x=0 (at time = 0) to x=11 cm. It is released from x=11cm. What is the amplitude.

Homework Equations



I tried using x(t) = A[cos(ωt + ∅)]

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, so I know that the answer this question is intuitively 11 cm, since the block can never go further than 11 cm from the equilibrium point. However, I thought I'd try testing my shaky understanding of the x(t) = A[cos(ωt + ∅)] formula and I hit a brick wall.

I figured that it would take one quarter of a period for the block to get from x=11 cm to x = 0 cm, since that's one fourth of the journey through the period. So, I plugged the following numbers in:

.11 m = (A)cos[(9.78rad/s)(.643sec/4) + 0]
A = -82.17 m

I don't understand why this method doesn't yield A = 11 cm (or anything remotely close to it).
 
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A quarter period from maximum extension (t=0) should make the x(t) zero, not A.

A half period after t=0 should make it -A...
 
Your initial observation was good; using this equation is overkill. But, using it:

The block starts at the farthest point, so the phase constant is zero. So

x(t) = A cos(ωt)

Now, if you wanted to find the position at time t = 0, you'd have

x(0) = A cos(ω0) = A cos(0)

They told you that x(0) = 11 cm, and cos(0) is just one. So A is 11 cm, as expected (and as you saw from the beginning; using this equation is completely unnecessary).

You tried finding the position after a quarter of a period, where the block is back at the equilibrium point. First off, that can't tell you anything about A, because at that time, x = 0. You end up with an equation like

0 = A cos(blah)

where the cos(blah) also turns out to be zero. 0 = 0A is true for any value of A.

When you did it, you messed up the left hand side. x is not 0.11 m one fourth of the way through the cycle; it must be 0. The reason you have such a strange answer is because, at this time, the value of the cosine is zero. Due to rounding errors, you get something really tiny like 0.005; dividing 0.11 by this gives you a huge answer.
 
Thanks! That makes sense!
 

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