Finding the Angle Between Two Forces

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The discussion revolves around understanding how to find the angle between two forces in a physics problem involving circular motion. Participants express confusion about the geometry and the derivation of the angle used in the dot product calculation. Suggestions include redrawing diagrams to better visualize the vectors and their components, particularly as the angle φ changes. There is also a focus on proving the equality of certain angles marked in the diagram, which is essential for resolving the forces correctly. Clarifying these geometric relationships is crucial for solving the problem accurately.
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I understand the concept and ideas, but the geometry evades me.

In polar coordinates, we have two components, \hat{r},\hat{\theta}

I know that you just integrate the dot product of \vec{F} and d\vec{r} with the boundaries of position, but how did we find the angle between the two vectors?!

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Question is in the attachment
... the question in the attachment is:
"What is the velocity of m when the rod is at angle ##\phi##?"
... which is answered in the rest of the attachment.

The geometry is circular. They drew you a diagram.
Probably what you need to do is redraw the diagram, bigger, for different values of ##\phi## - carefully draw in the vectors, resolve components, and watch how they change.
 
Simon Bridge said:
... the question in the attachment is:
"What is the velocity of m when the rod is at angle ##\phi##?"
... which is answered in the rest of the attachment.

The geometry is circular. They drew you a diagram.
Probably what you need to do is redraw the diagram, bigger, for different values of ##\phi## - carefully draw in the vectors, resolve components, and watch how they change.

I should have been clearer. I know the concept behind the problem, I know how they solved, just not where they go the cos(\varphi-\frac{\pi}{2}<br /> <br /> That perplexes me. The dot product equals the magnitude of each vector multiplied by each other, times the cos of the angle between them. <br /> <br /> I don't know how they determined the angle.
 
Astrum said:
how did we find the angle between the two vectors?!

Can you show that the two angles marked θ in the picture are equal? [EDIT: The dotted line is horizontal]
 

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Astrum said:
I should have been clearer. I know the concept behind the problem, I know how they solved, just not where they go the cos(\varphi-\frac{\pi}{2} )

That perplexes me. The dot product equals the magnitude of each vector multiplied by each other, times the cos of the angle between them.

I don't know how they determined the angle.
... that is why I suggested you draw out the bigger diagrams. The exercise of resolving components gets you focussed on how the angles are related to each other. TSny has done one for you.
 
I didn't even realize that those angles were equal...

I have not a clue how to prove they're equal.
 
Construct another horizontal auxiliary line through the mass m. Also think about how the vector dr is oriented relative to the rod.
 
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