Finding the constants in a Sine equation.

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The discussion revolves around finding the constants in a sine equation that describes the height of the tip of a clock's second hand over time. The context involves a wall clock with specific measurements, and the equation is structured as h(t) = a sin(n(t + b)) + c, where a, b, c, and n are positive real constants.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to determine the values of the constants a, b, c, and n, expressing certainty about a and c while questioning the assumptions regarding n and the significance of "midday." Some participants suggest interpreting "midday" as the point in time when the second hand is at the 12 o'clock position, while others explore the implications of the second hand's position at various times.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering different perspectives on how to approach the determination of the constants. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the period of the sine function and the implications of the clock's mechanics, with some guidance provided on how to relate the sine function to the physical setup of the clock.

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There are discussions about the assumptions regarding the period of the sine function and the interpretation of the starting point in relation to "midday." The original poster expresses frustration over their understanding, indicating a need for further clarification.

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Homework Statement


I have been puzzling over this question for hours now.

The centre of a wall clock is 180 cm above the floor. The hand of the clock that indicates the seconds is 20 cm long. The height, h cm above the floor, of the tip of the second hand, t seconds after midday, is given by an equation of the form: h(t)= a sin n (t+b) + c
where a, b, c and n are positive real constants.

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I'm required to find what the value of the four constants is.

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that a=20 and c=180, but I'm not sure about n and c.
Would it be correct if I assume that the period is 60 seconds. Therefore, to find n:

60=2[tex]\pi[/tex][tex]/[/tex]n
n=[tex]\pi[/tex][tex]/[/tex]30

And to find c, is it right if I take t=0 and substitute all the values I've got of a, c, and n into the equation h(t)= a sin n (t+b) + c ?

Also, what's the significant of the word midday? Am I supposed to take it as the start of the period?

I feel really stupid for not understanding.
I would really appreciate any help given, I'm at my wits end. Please?
 
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The time given "midday" is telling you for which time during the day the equation accurately describes the clock, although there really isn't reason to believe that the equation would be different if the hour and minute hands point elsewhere. Just interpret it to mean that the equation tells you that h(0) gives you the distance from the tip of the second-hand to the floor when it is pointing at digit 12.

You don't have to assume the period is 60s, though it probably is. Just imagine, suppose you have the second hand pointing at the digits 3,6,9,12. What is the distance from the tip to the floor in each case? Use this info, together with the equation to find the unknown values.
 
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I would have done this slightly differently. The maximum and minimum values of sin x are 1 and -1 so the maximum and minimum values of this function are a+ c and c- a respectively. That is, the greatest height of the tip of the hand is a+ c and the least is c- a. The average of those is ((a+c)+(c-a))/2= c and that is the height of the center of the clock: 180 cm. a then, is the length of the second hand, 20 cm. At noon t= 0 so we have h(0)= 20 sin(nb)+ 180. But at noon, the second hand is straight up: 20 sin(nb)+ 180= 180+ 20 so sin(nb)= 1. That is, nb= [itex]pi/2[/itex]. Yes, the period is 60 seconds so [itex]n(60+ b)-nb= 2\pi[/itex] or [itex]60n= 2\pi[/itex]. [itex]n= \pi/30[/itex] and then [itex]b= (\pi/2)(30/\pi)= 2[/itex].
 
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