Finding the gravitational force over a flat infinite sheet

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The discussion revolves around finding the gravitational force exerted by a flat infinite sheet of mass. Participants are exploring the application of Gauss' Law and integral calculus in this context, particularly focusing on the gravitational force's dependence on distance and mass distribution.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the appropriate method for calculating gravitational force, with some questioning the use of Gauss' Law. There are discussions about the integration limits and the correct expression for the infinitesimal mass element. Others are visualizing the problem in terms of concentric circles and considering how to incorporate the differential element dr into their integrals.

Discussion Status

The discussion is actively exploring different mathematical approaches to the problem. Some participants have provided guidance on the correct formulation of the integral and the importance of considering only the vertical component of the force. There is an ongoing dialogue about the correct interpretation of the mass element and the geometry involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of integrating over an infinite plane and are dealing with the challenge of visualizing the problem mathematically. There is a noted uncertainty regarding the application of certain equations and the assumptions being made about the mass distribution.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


F=ma
F=Gm1m2/r2
Gauss' Law?

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure if I should be using Gauss' Law for this question, because I've never heard of it or learned about it. I'm currently taking multi-variable calculus (gradients, vectors, etc.). From what I know, the gravitational force should be found using an integral from R to infinity for the area of the plane... but I'm not sure what to do from there.

G*∫((mσ)/(Z^2))*dA from R to ∞?
 

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You can't "dA from R". Decide what your variable of integration is and use that in the range, in the expression for the force and in the expression for the infinitesimal element.
 
Okay, I'm starting to visualize it now, but I'm not sure how to put it into mathematics. I want to find the gravitational force for each concentric circle that has mass σπ(r2-R2) because V*σ=Msheet, and just using geometry the distance between the mass and the circles would be (r2+Z2)½, here's where I am:

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However, I know that it's not correct mathematically because I'm not sure how to include dr, which I know is supposed to be in here. How can I make it a part of my integral? Or am I approaching this incorrectly?
 

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The dr is included by putting the correct mass of the infinitesimal ring which is σ2πrdr.
 
Note also that only the vertical component of the force due to the ring is to be considered.
 
grzz said:
The dr is included by putting the correct mass of the infinitesimal ring which is σ2πrdr.
grzz said:
Note also that only the vertical component of the force due to the ring is to be considered.
I'm not sure how to visualize it this way, but what you're saying is that my equation (inside the integral) should be ((Gσ2πr*m)/Z2)*dr? I used the second equation from #2 in my original post, m being the mass of the point and G being the constant. Why is the equation for circumference instead of area used? I made the integral from R to ∞, which I believe is correct, right?
 
Phantoful said:
Why is the equation for circumference instead of area used?
Because the element has to consist of a region for which d is roughly constant. That makes it an annulus of internal radius r and external radius r+dr. That has area 2πrdr.
 

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