Finding the Minimum Value of x in Hyperbolic Calculus

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The discussion revolves around finding the minimum value of x in the context of hyperbolic calculus, specifically involving the points T and N on a hyperbolic curve and their tangent and normal lines.

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the expression for the distance between points a and b, seeking to set the derivative to zero to find critical points. There is a question about the correctness of the method used, particularly regarding the identification of variables.

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Participants are engaged in clarifying the original poster's approach and discussing the implications of identifying y as cosh(x). There is acknowledgment of the correctness of the method used, along with suggestions for simplifying the differentiation process.

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There is a mention of a hyperbolic trigonometric identity that could simplify the problem, indicating that assumptions about the variables and their relationships are under consideration.

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q: http://gyazo.com/297417b9665206ae8e38cb8b5d930a83

I'm stuck trying to find the value of x when TN is a minimum

here's what I've tried so far:

Let T be the point (a,0) and N be the point (b,0)

line of tangent through P:

## y = sinh(x)(x-a) ##
line of normal through P ## y = \dfrac{-1}{sinh(x)}(x-b) ##

my plan was to rearrange for a and b and find b-a and try differentiate that and set the derivative to be 0 and solve for x:

## a = x - \dfrac{y}{sinh(x)} ##
## b = y(sinh(x)) + x ##
## b - a = y(sinh(x) + \dfrac{1}{sinh(x)}) ##
## \dfrac{d(b-a)}{dx} = \dfrac{dy}{dx} (sinh(x) + \dfrac{1}{sinh(x)}) + y(cosh(x) - coth(x)cosech(x)) = sinh^2(x) + 1 + y(cosh(x) - coth(x)cosech(x)) = 0## but I can't seem to solve that

any ideas on where I went wrong?
 
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hi synkk! :smile:
synkk said:
## a = x - \dfrac{y}{sinh(x)} ##
## b = y(sinh(x)) + x ##
## b - a = y(sinh(x) + \dfrac{1}{sinh(x)}) ##
## \dfrac{d(b-a)}{dx} = \dfrac{dy}{dx} (sinh(x) + \dfrac{1}{sinh(x)}) + y(cosh(x) - coth(x)cosech(x)) = sinh^2(x) + 1 + y(cosh(x) - coth(x)cosech(x)) = 0## but I can't seem to solve that

erm :redface:

y isn't a variable, y is coshx ! :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
hi synkk! :smile:erm :redface:

y isn't a variable, y is coshx ! :wink:

oh thank you, but is my method correct?

following on from this I get ## x = arsinh(\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}) ## is this correct?
 
yup! :biggrin:
 
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You could have saved yourself differentiating ##\sinh(x) + \frac{1}{\sinh(x)}## by instead adding the two terms and noting the hyperbolic trig identity -- otherwise, all correct.
 

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