Finding the Radius & Interval of Convergence of a Power Series

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the radius and interval of convergence for a power series defined by the sum of terms involving harmonic numbers multiplied by \( x^n \). Participants are exploring the convergence properties of this series.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest using the ratio test and discuss whether to simplify the harmonic sum. There are questions about the implications of rewriting the sum and how it affects convergence. Some participants express uncertainty about the algebra involved in the limit calculations.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on potential approaches like the ratio test. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the treatment of the harmonic sum and its impact on convergence, with no clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of the harmonic series and its divergence, while others question how to properly apply the ratio test in this context. There is also mention of the algebraic manipulation needed to analyze limits, indicating a need for clarity on these points.

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Homework Statement



\sum from n=1 to inf (1+ 1/2 + ... 1/n)x^n

Find the radius of convergence and the interval of convergence of the given power series.

Homework Equations



Dunno..

The Attempt at a Solution



Stuck thinking about it. I'm not sure if I can combine what's in brackets with the x^n or if I need to do something else.
 
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Try a ratio test.
 
Yeah,

Do you think that I should rewrite ( 1 + 1/2 + ... 1/n) as 1/n and do a ration test on
\sum x^n / n

Or is there a special way to treat the first expression in brackets.
 
Hmm, I think you just do the sum of a sum..

But if you do that and use the ratio test you get the limit to be zero, and then it would be convergent for all values of x. I just have no clue if that's how it's done.
 
craig16 said:
Yeah,

Do you think that I should rewrite ( 1 + 1/2 + ... 1/n) as 1/n and do a ration test on
\sum x^n / n

Or is there a special way to treat the first expression in brackets.

But that's not true. The ratio test expression is (1+1/2+...+1/n+1/(n+1))/(1+1/2+...+1/n). Can you show that the limit of that is 1?
 
Hmm,

But how would showing the sum in brackets goes to one with the ratio test help? If that limit equals one the ratio test would be inconclusive.

If I treat this as two sums the (1/n) sum would diverge. So I still don't know what to do.
 
craig16 said:
Hmm,

But how would showing the sum in brackets goes to one with the ratio test help? If that limit equals one the ratio test would be inconclusive.

If I treat this as two sums the (1/n) sum would diverge. So I still don't know what to do.

I omitted the x^(n+1)/x^n part of the ratio test. If you can show the limit of what I gave you is 1, then the ratio test will give you x for the ratio.
 
Okay, makes sense.

honestly though I don't quite understand the algebra of that limit

n+ 1 / n

you would have, (1/2 + 1/3 ... 1/n+1 ) / (1+1/2... 1/n)

Everything cancels out but ( 1/ n+1 ) / 1 ) ?

Or does the 1/n stay on the bottom
 
craig16 said:
Okay, makes sense.

honestly though I don't quite understand the algebra of that limit

n+ 1 / n

you would have, (1/2 + 1/3 ... 1/n+1 ) / (1+1/2... 1/n)

Everything cancels out but ( 1/ n+1 ) / 1 ) ?

Or does the 1/n stay on the bottom

Break it up as (1+1/2+...+1/n)+1/(n+1) in the numerator and (1+1/2+...+1/n) in the denominator. Divide through by the denominator. You get 1+something. What's the something? Can you show the something goes to zero as n->infinity?
 
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Okay,

I'm curious though why you wrote the numerator with a 1 in it. Since it is n+1 won't it start at 1/2 and finish with 1/n+1, and the denominator start as 1 and finish with 1/n?
 
  • #11
craig16 said:
Okay,

I'm curious though why you wrote the numerator with a 1 in it. Since it is n+1 won't it start at 1/2 and finish with 1/n+1, and the denominator start as 1 and finish with 1/n?

Not at all. If a_n is the coefficient, then a_1=1, a_2=1+1/2, a_3=1+1/2+1/3. So what's a_3/a_2?
 

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