Finding the speed of rolling ball

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The discussion revolves around determining the speed of a rolling ball, focusing on the principles of rolling motion and the work-energy theorem. Participants explore the relationship between translational and rotational motion, particularly in the context of friction's role in these dynamics.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy theorem and the moment of inertia for a rolling ball. There are attempts to clarify the effects of friction during the transition from sliding to rolling motion. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding friction and energy loss.

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The discussion includes multiple attempts to derive the speed of the ball, with some participants providing insights into the conservation of angular momentum. There is acknowledgment of differing interpretations regarding the role of friction and energy considerations, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem, particularly regarding the transition from sliding to rolling motion and the assumptions about friction's effects. The context of homework constraints is implied, as participants are exploring these concepts within a structured assignment.

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In rolling motion, friction doesn't work. So, applying work energy theorem,
## \frac 1 2 m v_0 ^2 =\frac 1 2 mv^2 + \frac 1 2 I_{center} \omega ^2 ##
## taking~ I_{ center} = \frac 2 5 m R^2 ~and ~ v =\omega R ,
v = \sqrt {( \frac 5 7 v_0 )} ##
 
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Pushoam said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


In rolling motion, friction doesn't work. So, applying work energy theorem,
## \frac 1 2 m v_0 ^2 =\frac 1 2 mv^2 + \frac 1 2 I_{center} \omega ^2 ##
## taking~ I_{ center} = \frac 2 5 m R^2 ~and ~ v =\omega R ,
v = \sqrt {( \frac 5 7 v_0 )} ##
I assume you meant the v0 to be outside the square root.
You are overlooking the energy lost to friction while sliding. We want the velocity just as it transitions to rolling. Up until then it has been sliding, as well as rotating.
 
Thanks to friction the ball can move.
Heat dissipation will be absent.
Remember v = omega R(ball) and eliminate omega.
 
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haruspex said:
I assume you meant the v0 to be outside the square root.
Yes.
haruspex said:
You are overlooking the energy lost to friction while sliding.
Yes, I considered this motion as rolling motion from start unknowingly.
Friction doesn't work in rolling motion. But, it does work in sliding motion.

Another attempt:
##v = v_0 - f_r t /m = \omega R##
## \tau = f_r R = \frac 2 5 m R^2 \alpha##
## \omega = \alpha t = \frac {5 f_r } {2 m R} t
\\ \frac { f_r t } m = \frac 2 5 v
\\ v = \frac 5 7 v_0 ##

So, done. Thanks.
 
Pushoam said:
Yes.

Yes, I considered this motion as rolling motion from start unknowingly.
Friction doesn't work in rolling motion. But, it does work in sliding motion.

Another attempt:
##v = v_0 - f_r t /m = \omega R##
## \tau = f_r R = \frac 2 5 m R^2 \alpha##
## \omega = \alpha t = \frac {5 f_r } {2 m R} t
\\ \frac { f_r t } m = \frac 2 5 v
\\ v = \frac 5 7 v_0 ##

So, done. Thanks.
There is an interesting quick method on this one.
Since the friction acts at ground level, angular momentum about an axis at ground level is conserved.
 
haruspex said:
There is an interesting quick method on this one.
Since the friction acts at ground level, angular momentum about an axis at ground level is conserved.

Thanks for this insight. This is really interesting.
 

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