Finding transformer's wire wrapping direction without taking it apart.

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The discussion revolves around identifying the correct wiring direction of a transformer's primary and secondary windings without disassembling the transformer. Participants explore methods to determine polarity and safety considerations related to wiring transformers, particularly in the context of AC mains connections.

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  • One participant describes their transformer and expresses concern about wiring it correctly for American wall sockets, noting the absence of polarity markings from the vendor.
  • Another participant identifies the left side of the transformer as a "split center tap" and suggests checking the datasheet for pin numbers and polarity dots, questioning the original poster's understanding of safety regulations.
  • A third participant warns against using DC methods to determine polarity, implying that the original poster may lack sufficient knowledge for the task.
  • A fourth participant proposes a method involving an ohmmeter to determine winding pairings, followed by applying a small AC test voltage to assess the voltage behavior across the windings, advising caution regarding voltage levels and safety.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of using DC to determine transformer polarity, with some cautioning against it. There is no consensus on the best method to determine wiring direction, and safety concerns are raised without agreement on the original poster's level of understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of safety regulations and the potential risks involved in working with AC mains transformers, but there are no specific safety standards discussed. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the best practices for determining transformer wiring without documentation.

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So I have the following transformer
mytransformer.png


Is their a particular name for the kind of transformer I have above? I've learned the right side middle is called a center tap, and is used for some weird signallying things in engineering and I don't plan to use it. It's the left part that concerns me. Now I've learned that if I was in Europe, I should wire the primary as follows to connect it to a wall socket.
europetransformer.png

But I am in America, and from what I learned I should wire them this way to attach to an American wall socket.
americantransformer.png


This will allow me to generate the same voltage in the secondary as if I had plugged it into a European wall socket. Now if the vendor was nice they would have indicated the polarity of the primary's output wiring, but they did not, so I am worried about wiring them up like this:
messedup_transformer.png


Now I suppose trial and error would be the way to go, or if I had a fancy backemf sensor or a $1k oscilloscope I could determine the correct polarity, but is there a way to determine the polarity using a simple digital multimeter? One method I saw was to actually connect the primary and secondary together, then connect a DC battery over the primary and another DC battery over the secondary in something like a Wheatstone bridge, then determine whether the polarity is right based on the voltage sign and total. Is this correct or is there a better way?
 
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The left side is called a "split center tap". The pins should have numbers, and/or the datasheet should have a mechanical drawing with the pin numbers and polarity dots. Can you post a link to the datasheet?

And what are you doing wiring up an AC Mains transformer if you don't have this basic understanding? Are you aware of the safety regulations for what-all needs to be included on the AC Mains side connection of this transformer?

EDIT/ADD -- Since you are teaching a science class, what do you suppose would happen if one of your students was shocked and hurt by this? And if you started a fire with this in your classroom, how do you think that would be viewed by the school and the parents?
 
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If you are thinking you can use DC to sort things out then you are in over your head already.
 
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Assuming no marking, no documentation, and an absolute need to determine the primary wiring, I would:

1. Use an ohmmeter to determine the 'pairing' of the primary windings.
2. Tie 1 wire from each winding together - leave the remaining 2 wires 'open' (like the "Europe" picture)
3. Apply a small AC test voltage across the secondary. (from an AC wall-wart, another transformer...)

The voltage across the mystery windings will either "sum" or "cancel" depending on how you guessed (in step 2, above). Try both arrangements (and compare) if doubt exists.

-Do not use a test voltage higher than the nominal secondary voltage of the transformer
-Treat all conductors as lethal (while the test voltage is connected)
 
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