Finding volumetric flow rate from pressure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of calculating volumetric flow rate from instantaneous pressure in the context of fluid dynamics, specifically for air entering a cylinder in an engine. Participants explore the necessary data and assumptions required for such calculations, particularly in relation to computational fluid dynamics (CFD) simulations of the intake system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires whether volumetric flow rate can be calculated from instantaneous pressure, emphasizing the need for additional data and assumptions.
  • Another participant suggests that the size of the intake port and the nature of the flow (laminar or turbulent) are critical for accurate calculations.
  • There is a discussion about whether the relevant measurement is the bore of the cylinder or the intake port diameter, with a preference expressed for the intake port.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the flow being turbulent, although one suggests that noise during air entry could indicate turbulence.
  • A request for guidance on formulas and steps to take after obtaining the intake area and cylinder geometry is made, but one participant admits to not recalling specific formulas from past experience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that additional data and assumptions are necessary for calculating volumetric flow rate, but there is uncertainty regarding the specifics of the flow characteristics and the exact parameters needed for calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for assumptions regarding flow type (laminar vs. turbulent) and the importance of specific measurements (intake port vs. cylinder bore), but do not resolve these aspects. There is also a lack of clarity on the formulas required for the calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in fluid dynamics, particularly in the context of engine design and computational fluid dynamics simulations.

U6an
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Hello everyone,

I am quite new to Fluid dynamics, so I would like to ask for your help.

Is it possible to calculate volumetric flow rate from the instantaneous pressure?

We need to know the flow rate of the air entering the cylinder in the engine due to the suction pressure. It is required to run a CFD simulation of the intake system.

Regards,
U6an
 
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U6an said:
Is it possible to calculate volumetric flow rate from the instantaneous pressure?
Yes, but you need more data and some assumptions.
U6an said:
We need to know the flow rate of the air entering the cylinder in the engine due to the suction pressure.
You need the size of the hole the air enters by. You also need to specify whether you assume laminar air flow or turbulent.
 
Svein,
Thank you for you reply.

Could you please tell me if you mean the bore of the cylinder or the intake port diameter?
The flow will probably be turbulent, but I am not sure. Could you also give me a hint on how can I know if the flow is turbulent or not?
 

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U6an said:
Could you please tell me if you mean the bore of the cylinder or the intake port diameter?
I assume that the air enters through the intake port, so that is what is needed.
U6an said:
The flow will probably be turbulent, but I am not sure.
I agree that it is probably turbulent (if the air entering the system makes a noise, it is turbulent).
 
Svein said:
I assume that the air enters through the intake port, so that is what is needed.
Indeed, air enters the cylinder through the intake port :)

Thank you for giving a hint on the noise ;)

Providing I will obtain the intake area as well as the cylinder geometry, what steps should I take then? Are there any certain formulas for that?
 
U6an said:
Providing I will obtain the intake area as well as the cylinder geometry, what steps should I take then? Are there any certain formulas for that?
Yes, but I do not remember them (I did some work with air pressure across a small valve - 35 years ago).
 

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