Finding W and Theta in Simultaneous Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving two simultaneous equations involving W and theta: 160 cos(theta) - W cos(69) = 0 and 160 sin(theta) - W cos(21) - W = 0. Participants guide each other through substituting W from the first equation into the second and simplifying the resulting expressions. The key breakthrough occurs when they recognize the relationship between sine and cosine through the tangent function, leading to the calculation of theta as approximately 79.5°. Finally, they confirm the value of W as 81.36 using the derived theta. The collaborative effort highlights the importance of substitution and trigonometric identities in solving simultaneous equations.
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Homework Statement



160 cos(theta) - W cos(69) = 0

160 sin(theta) - W cos(21) - W = 0

Can someone solve these equations for me to find W and theta?
 
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camino said:

Homework Statement



160 cos(theta) - W cos(69) = 0

160cosθ=Wcos(69)

W=160cosθ/cos(69)


continue now
 
W = W cos(69) / cos(69)?
 
camino said:
W = W cos(69) / cos(69)


?

no, put W=160cosθ/cos(69) into the second equation
 
Sorry I am still not seeing it. Could you give me one more step?
 
camino said:
Sorry I am still not seeing it. Could you give me one more step?

In this equation

160 sinθ - W cos(21) - W = 0


everywhere you see 'W' put 160cosθ/cos(69) and try to simplify it.
 
I do understand how to simplify one equation and substitute into the other, however I just can't seem to simplify these down. The theta with the sin and cos attached is what is really confusing me when trying to simplify. This is just a mess and I'm very confused.
 
camino said:
I do understand how to simplify one equation and substitute into the other, however I just can't seem to simplify these down. The theta with the sin and cos attached is what is really confusing me when trying to simplify. This is just a mess and I'm very confused.

just show where you've reached and we'll see if we can simplify it further
 
160 sinθ - (160cosθ/cos69) cos(21) - (160cosθ/cos69) = 0
 
  • #10
camino said:
160 sinθ - (160cosθ/cos69) cos(21) - (160cosθ/cos69) = 0

so you get


160 sin \theta - (\frac{160cos21}{cos69} - \frac{160}{cos69})cos \theta = 0


this is like Asinθ-Bcosθ=0, how do you solve this equation?
 
  • #11
Is there a trig identity that replaces either sin or cos? I'm thinking we want to narrow this down to only having either sin or cos in the equation.
 
  • #12
camino said:
Is there a trig identity that replaces either sin or cos? I'm thinking we want to narrow this down to only having either sin or cos in the equation.

well yes but we can put it like this


Asinθ=Bcosθ

or sinθ/cosθ=B/A

do we know another way to express sinθ/cosθ ?
 
  • #13
I am really not sure.
 
  • #14
camino said:
I am really not sure.

do you not know that tanθ=sinθ/cosθ ?
 
  • #15
Oh my it has been a long day.. Yes i see that now. So simplifying I would then do:

160 sinθ - (-29.6542) cosθ = 0

160 sinθ = 29.6542 cosθ

θ = tan^-1(160/29.6542)

θ = 79.5° ?
 
  • #16
camino said:
Oh my it has been a long day.. Yes i see that now. So simplifying I would then do:

160 sinθ - (-29.6542) cosθ = 0

160 sinθ = 29.6542 cosθ

θ = tan^-1(160/29.6542)

θ = 79.5° ?

yes that should be correct. You are able to find W knowing θ=79.5° right?
 
  • #17
Yes:

160cos(79.5) - W cos(69) = 0

29.1577 = W cos(69)

W = 81.36
 
  • #18
Thank you so much for all your help!
 

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