Finding x in FeC2O4.xH2O: Solving for Unknown Hydrate Composition

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The discussion revolves around determining the value of x in the hydrated salt FeC2O4.xH2O, based on a titration experiment involving a known mass of the salt and its reaction with potassium permanganate (KMnO4). The context includes calculations related to the concentration of ions in solution and the stoichiometry of the reactions involved.

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  • One participant outlines the initial calculations for moles of MnO4- and C2O4^2-, but expresses uncertainty about how to find x.
  • Another participant suggests using the concentration of Fe ions obtained from the titration to calculate the mass of water in the hydrated salt, leading to the determination of x.
  • A subsequent post acknowledges the complexity of the chemistry involved and indicates a lack of confidence in understanding the process.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the concentration calculations and the stoichiometry of the reactions, including the half-reactions for KMnO4 and Fe ions.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the time taken to format their response, indicating a challenge in presenting the information clearly.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to find x through stoichiometric calculations, but there is no consensus on the clarity of the explanation or the understanding of the chemistry involved.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the chemistry concepts and calculations, indicating potential gaps in understanding the underlying principles. The discussion does not resolve all questions regarding the methodology or the final determination of x.

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How do I find x in FeC2O4.xH2O. I am told that this is a hydrated salt of 1.75g and was dissolved in acid and made up to 250ml. A 25mL sample of this solution required 29.15mL of standardised 0.0200mol/L KMnO4 solution for complete oxidation.

I worked out n(MnO4-) = cv = 5.83 x 10^-4 moles
and n(C2O4^2-) = 1.4575 x 10^-3 moles
and c(C2O4^2-) = n/v = 0.0583 molL-1
I just don't know how to find x
 
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Well your titration gives you the quantity of Fe Ions in solution (the dissociated Iron). You can take that concentration and find the total mass in the solution, and subtracting that mass from the Hydrous compund mass you can find the mass of H2O present in the hydrated salt. Then you need to divide that mass by the molecular mass of water to find your x.

Hope that's clear...
 
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Thanks for helping
I still don't really understand. I am not very good with chemistry
 
Ok. You have done all the hard work, you just need to make the last step. You take a fixed mass of the salt (Hydrated) and disolve it in the acid solution.

[tex]V\ =\ 250ml \ =\ 0.25dm^{3}[/tex]

[tex]m\ =\ 1.75g\ = \ 1+\frac{3}{4}=\frac{7}{4}g[/tex][tex]0.25dm^{3}[/tex] is [tex]\frac{1}{4}dm^{3}[/tex]

Thefore your concentration is simply:[tex][FeC_{2}O_{4}.xH_{2}O]\ = \ 7g\ dm^{3}[/tex]You take [tex]25ml\ = 25\times10^{-3}\ dm^{3} = 0.025dm^{3}[/tex]

And titrate it with Potasium Permanganate [tex]KMnO_{4}[/tex], For which the half-reaction is:

[tex]MnO_{4}^{-}_{(aq)}\ + \ 8H^{+}_{(aq)} \ + \ 5e^{-} \ \rightarrow \ Mn^{2+}_{(aq)} \ + \ 4H_{2}O_{(l)}[/tex]

The indicator changes color as it goes from Mn(VII) to Mn(II) and Fe is oxidised from Fe(II) to Fe(II).

[tex]Fe^{3+}_{(aq)}\ \rightarrow \ Fe^{3+}_{(aq)}\ +\ e^{-}[/tex]

If you balence the half reactions you get a 5:1 ratio of [tex]KMnO_{4}:FeC_{2}O_{4}[/tex]

This means the quantiy of [tex][Fe^{2+}_{(aq)}][/tex] is 5 times the amount of titrant used.
 
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Blah, see the other post on titration...this post was taking forever to latex...
 
Thanks heaps!
 

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