Fission Explained: Neutron Force and Nuclear Isomers

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The discussion revolves around the mechanisms of nuclear fission, particularly focusing on the role of neutrons in the fission process, the concept of nuclear isomers, and the energy requirements for neutron absorption by different isotopes. Participants explore various explanations and models related to these topics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about whether fission occurs due to the force of a neutron hitting the nucleus or through neutron absorption, particularly in the context of fissile isotopes like U-235.
  • Another participant clarifies that when U-235 absorbs a neutron, it forms an excited U-236 nucleus, which may fission or decay by gamma-emission, emphasizing that it is the absorption rather than the collision force that leads to fission.
  • There is a discussion about the energy required for a neutron to be absorbed by a nucleus, with one participant suggesting that it is not just the kinetic energy of the neutron but also the concept of falling into a nuclear potential well that contributes to the energy involved in breaking the nucleus apart.
  • Questions are raised about the energy levels of neutrons and how they might vary for different elements and isotopes, as well as the implications of nuclear isomers on fission processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the exact mechanisms of fission and the role of neutron energy, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is ongoing uncertainty about the conditions under which fission occurs and the implications of neutron absorption versus collision.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various models and explanations without resolving the complexities involved in neutron absorption and fission processes. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of how energy dynamics play a role in fission, particularly regarding the potential wells involved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in nuclear physics, particularly those exploring the mechanisms of fission, neutron interactions with nuclei, and the implications of nuclear isomers.

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I've been really interested in fission lately and have been trying to find out as much about it as I can. A lot of explanations I've read explain that the nucleus spits apart from the force of a neutron hitting it. I've also read that sometimes a nucleus will decay by spontaneous fission if it is unstable enough. This makes me wonder if it's the force of the neutron that makes it split.

It makes sense to me for fissionable isotopes where the neutron has to have a certain energy to split it, but for fissile isotopes I get the impression that something like U-235 for instance would absorb the neutron and become U-236 for an instant then spontaneously fission. An http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_cross_section" had this written in the section "Actinide decay:" U-235+n=U-236*; U-236*(fission 81%) which looks like it shows the U-235 turning into U-236 for a moment before it fissions.

I have no idea which is correct since I've seen it explained two different ways (or at least I think I have.) Can someone help clear this up for me?

Another thing I'm curious about is how much energy a neutron has to have to be absorbed by a nucleus. Does it vary for different elements and isotopes of them?

And one more: I read a bit on nuclear isomers where the particles in the nucleus have more energy than is normal. If fission happens when a nucleus absorbs a neutron that makes it unstable and then splits, does this explain that? (The * in the example above means that the nucleus is energized.) And if that's true, then does that mean that U-236 made from neutron absorption of U-235 would fission but U-236 made from beta decay of Pa-236 would not?

Thanks for any help clearing this up for me.
 
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When U-235 absorbs a neutron, it forms an excited U-236 nucleus, which either fissions or decays by gamma-emission. Recycled U from spent fuel has an increased amount of U-236 in it.

It's not the force of the neutron colliding with the nucleus that causes fission, but the simple fact of absorption. Increasing the energy of the colliding neutron will change the out come of the fissions with distribution of fission product elements moving a bit above A=100 and below A=130. Either two or three neutrons are released.

Here is a nice overview.
http://www.if.uidaho.edu/~gunner/ME443-543/LectureNotes/Chapter06/NUCLEAR_FISSION_CH6.pdf
 
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MyNameIsRyan said:
I've been really interested in fission lately and have been trying to find out as much about it as I can. A lot of explanations I've read explain that the nucleus spits apart from the force of a neutron hitting it. I've also read that sometimes a nucleus will decay by spontaneous fission if it is unstable enough. This makes me wonder if it's the force of the neutron that makes it split.
Another thing I'm curious about is how much energy a neutron has to have to be absorbed by a nucleus. Does it vary for different elements and isotopes of them?
Ryan,

It's not so much the kinetic energy of the neutron - but the fact that it is falling into a nuclear potential
well.

Imagine you had an old well - the type people used to haul water up from in a bucket. Except this well
is dry - it's just a very deep hole in the ground lined with stones.

Now suppose you have a rock sitting on the side of the well - and you lightly push it off into the well.
You didn't put much energy into the rock. However, when the rock falls into the well, it is falling into
a gravitational potential well and the force of gravity gives it a lot of energy when it falls. When it hits
the bottom of the well, it ricochets around the bottom of the well bouncing off the stone walls and making
a loud racket that you hear.

Obviously, there's energy in the sound given off as the rock bounces around. Where did that energy
come from? Did it come from the little push you gave the rock? No - it came from the fact that the
rock fell into this gravity well.

When a neutron is absorbed by a nucleus, it is also falling into a well - it's just a nuclear potential well
and not a gravity potential well. THAT is where most of the energy comes from that breaks the nucleus
apart.

Dr. Gregory Greenman
Physicist
 
Thanks! I understand that better now.
 

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