Flouride salt safety issues? (high temperature)

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The discussion centers on improving the thermal properties of heat transfer fluids for concentrated solar power (CSP), specifically focusing on high-temperature fluoride salts like NaF–KF–ZrF4 and LiF–NaF–KF. The goal is to find a suitable base fluid that maintains thermal efficiency at elevated temperatures, as current options like carbonate and nitrate salts degrade above 600°C. Concerns are raised about the potential release of fluorine gas during high-temperature testing, although it is suggested that hydrogen fluoride is a more likely byproduct when these salts interact with water. The conversation also highlights the differences in material requirements between CSP and nuclear power plants, noting that CSP systems may face challenges with corrosion and containment materials when using fluoride salts. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the need for careful consideration of safety and material compatibility in high-temperature applications.
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Hello, I am working a on a project to improve the thermal properties (heat capacity, thermal conductivity) of heat transfer fluids used in concentrated solar power (CSP). First a suitable base fluid is required, the higher the working temperature the better for thermal efficiency. Most of the work so far is based on carbonate and nitrate salts but most of these break down over 600dC. I recently read a paper titled 'High Temperature Liquid Fluoride Salt Closed Brayton Cycle Solar Power Towers' which attempted to suggest work done on nuclear power plants could be applied to CSP.

I would be interested in experimenting with these salts (such as NaF–KF–ZrF4, LiF–NaF–KF etc eutectic mixes) in the lab but some of my colleagues have expressed concerns that fluoride based salts could release fluorine gas. The paper mentions 'Liquid fluoride salts have been injected into water with no violent reactions (steam explosion or chemical reaction)' but does not mention the potential for gas release. High temperature testing would be with small amounts in DSC and TGA. My background is more physics than chemistry so any advice is welcome.
 
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TL;DR can salts such as NaF form F2 gas under high temperatures?
 
Jack_O said:
TL;DR can salts such as NaF form F2 gas under high temperatures?

I doubt it. More plausible would be generation of some hydrogen fluoride in reaction with water.
There must be some literature on it. There are many optical glasses based on fluorides and they are obviously also generated from the melt.
 
Jack_O said:
Hello, I am working a on a project to improve the thermal properties (heat capacity, thermal conductivity) of heat transfer fluids used in concentrated solar power (CSP). First a suitable base fluid is required, the higher the working temperature the better for thermal efficiency. Most of the work so far is based on carbonate and nitrate salts but most of these break down over 600dC. I recently read a paper titled 'High Temperature Liquid Fluoride Salt Closed Brayton Cycle Solar Power Towers' which attempted to suggest work done on nuclear power plants could be applied to CSP.
One difference is that nuclear plant engineers can afford to use exotic corrosion resistant alloys for containment. You platens in your DSC TGA may not be up to it for the testing with Fluoride melts.

If I understand your premise, it is that you are looking for safety features that would be possible from the use of these fluoride melts at high temperatures if accidental release into the secondary water boiler was to happen. There would obviously be the tradeoffs of the materials of construction, vs corrosion effects for any working fluid at those temps. Good luck!
 
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