Fluids - bringing together pressure, depth and friction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the frictional force between a rock blocking water flow in a tube submerged in a freshwater pond. The hydrostatic pressure is calculated using the formula P = Patm + D*g*h, resulting in a pressure of 162060 Pa. The area of the tube is determined to be 7.89e-4 m^2, leading to a force of 127.9 N on the rock. Participants highlight the importance of considering the air pressure pushing back on the rock, suggesting that the net force equation should include this factor. The conversation emphasizes careful attention to the signs of the forces involved in the equilibrium equation.
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Fluids -- bringing together pressure, depth and friction

Hi Again!

More troubles with fluids.

I was pretty sure I had this one.

There is a
freshwater pond
density, D=1000 kg/m^3
depth = 15.1 m
one of the sides is blocked off by a cliff.
A nearly horizontal tube
diameter = 3.17 cm
depth below the pond's surface is 6.2 m
eroded to the other side of the cliff
a rock blocks cuts off the flow of the water.

The question asks for the frictional force between the tube's wall and the rock blocking the exit.

I figured it would be fairly easy, since
F = P*A
and we can find out the hydrostatic pressure.
so
P = Patm + D*g*h
P = 101300 + 1000*9.8*6.2
P = 162060 Pa

A = pi*r^2 = pi* (0.01585)^2 = 7.89e-4 m^2

and therefore,

F = P*A = 127.9 N is the force on the rock blocking the exit

because there is no acceleration, the system is at equilibrium

so Fnet = F(ontherock) - F(friction) = 0
so F(on the rock) = F(friction)
so then my answer would be 127.9 N

Could you point out where I've made an error, and push me in the right direction?
 
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I think you didn't take into account the pressure of the air pushing back on the rock from the other side!
 
LOL i just posted a question EXACTLY like this. Anyways, I understand arctans arguement, but I don't know where you would add the pressure pushing back from the other side . . .
 
Tide said:
I think you didn't take into account the pressure of the air pushing back on the rock from the other side!


ahh good point!

:biggrin:

So It'd be:

Fnet = F(airpushingonrock) + F(friction) - F(water) = 0

Am I correct?
 
That looks fine - just be careful with the signs of the forces.
 
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