Force due to three magnetic fields

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The problem involves determining the magnetic field at a specific point due to a wire configuration that forms three sides of a square, with a particle located along the horizontal axis. The context is rooted in electromagnetism, particularly the behavior of magnetic fields generated by current-carrying wires.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using Ampere's Law to analyze the magnetic field, questioning its applicability due to the symmetry of the wire configuration. There are considerations of calculating forces on the particle from different segments of the wire and the potential need for superposition of fields.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including the use of Ampere's Law and the Biot–Savart Law. Some participants express uncertainty about the symmetry and the best way to calculate the magnetic field, indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of applying theoretical laws to a non-standard wire configuration, with discussions around the limitations of Ampere's Law and the necessity of integrating over wire segments.

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Homework Statement




A wire comes in from in finity (left side) and forms a shape by going up a length A, over a length A and back down a length A.(forming three sides of a square that is attached to this infinite wire), then
takes a turn and leaves the page opposite to the side it came in on, headed to infinity.

There is a particle along the horizontal axis of this, a length 1/2 A from the left or right side of the shape, what is the magnetic field at that point,




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the answer is (sqrt 5)/5 * (Mu * I)/pi A But I have no idea how to get there
 
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Try Ampere's Law. \oint \vec{B} \cdot d\vec{l}=\mu_{0}I_{enclosed}
 
americanforest said:
Try Ampere's Law. \oint \vec{B} \cdot d\vec{l}=\mu_{0}I_{enclosed}

Would this qualify as high sym.?

The way I was going to approach it was calculate the force on the particle due to the two vertical lengths of wires, since it would just be the force due to 1*2, then add the effect of the upper horizontal wire to that. But how do you calculate the first part? Can I use Ampere's law ?
 
Frostfire said:
Would this qualify as high sym.?

The way I was going to approach it was calculate the force on the particle due to the two vertical lengths of wires, since it would just be the force due to 1*2, then add the effect of the upper horizontal wire to that. But how do you calculate the first part? Can I use Ampere's law ?

Superpose the fields from each of the sides of interest. The wire has cylindrical symmetry so you can use Ampere's law.
 
americanforest said:
Superpose the fields from each of the sides of interest. The wire has cylindrical symmetry so you can use Ampere's law.

Actually, Ampere's Law is not going to help with this one. Only infinitely long, straight wires have the appropriate cylindrical symmetry.

But you can solve this by using Biot–Savart law, and integrating over the length of each straight-line segment. There is some symmetry involved, so you might not have to integrate over every segment. But you'll probably need to break up the problem into at least two integrals (3 integrals if you ignore the symmetry).
 
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