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The discussion focuses on the behavior of current in a contracting ring and the associated magnetic forces. It clarifies that the force on a small wire segment in a solenoid is not given by the standard formula BIL, where B is the magnetic field inside the solenoid. Instead, it emphasizes the importance of considering geometric factors and energy conservation principles when analyzing the system. The discussion also highlights the relationship between the mechanical work done and the energy supplied by the current source as the solenoid expands.

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Homework Statement



Part (a): Describe what happens to current when ring contracts
Part(b): Find how much energy is stored, changing per unit time and rate of mechanical work being done
Part (c): Show the pressure is given by:
Part (d): Why is the force on a small wire segment not BIL?

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Part(d)

I tried a geometric reasoning, saying the horizontal components cancel out. So the net force is [tex]2Fcos(\frac{\theta}{2}) = 2F\sqrt{1-(\frac{L}{2r})^2} = BIL\sqrt{4 - (\frac{L}{r})^2}[/tex]

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Somehow I don't think that's the answer they are looking for..
 
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If you take L << r for a segment of wire, then you can consider it as essentially straight when calculating the force on the segment.

I think the purpose of the problem is to show that the magnetic force on the segment is not BIL, where B is the field inside the solenoid. This can be surprising since BIL is the usual expression for the force.

As the solenoid expands in radius, the energy supplied by the current source goes somewhere. If you can identify where it goes, then you can use energy concepts to deduce the amount of magnetic force on a segment of wire.
 

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