Force to make 2 blocks move relative to each other at constant speed

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The discussion focuses on calculating the force required to move two blocks at a constant speed while considering their masses, friction coefficients, and the angle of tension. The smaller block (1 kg) and the larger block (2 kg) have friction coefficients of 0.2 and 0.3, respectively. The equations of motion for both blocks are derived, leading to a tension calculation that yields a force of approximately 12 Newtons, which differs from the answer key's 15 Newtons. The calculations appear correct for certain conditions, but discrepancies arise based on the values used for gravitational acceleration. The conversation concludes with an acknowledgment of the calculations and their validity under specific scenarios.
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Homework Statement
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Smaller block has mass 1 kg and larger block has mass 2 kg. Coefficient of friction between the two blocks is 0.2 and between larger block and floor is 0.3. Find the value of P so that the two blocks move relative to each other at constant sped
Relevant Equations
Newton's 2nd law of motion
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Let:
Smaller block = m1 = 1 kg
Large block = m2 = 2 kg
Coefficient of friction between the two blocks = μ1 = 0.2
Coefficient of friction between larger block and floor = μ2 = 0.3
Tension connecting two blocks through two pulleys = T
Angle between tension and horizontal = θ = 37o
Friction between two blocks = f1
Friction between larger block and floor = f2
Normal force acting on m1 = N1
Normal force acting on m2 = N2
Weight of m1 = W1
Weight of m2 = W2

Free body diagram of m1:
T cos θ to the left
T sin θ upwards
W1 downwards
N1 upwards
f1 to the right

Equation of motion for m1:
T sin θ + N1 = W1
N1 = W1 - T sin θ ...(i)

f1 = μ1 . N1 = μ1 (W1 - T sin θ) ... (ii)

T cos θ = f1
T cos θ = μ1 (W1 - T sin θ)
T cos θ = μ1 . W1 - μ1 . T sin θ
T cos θ + μ1 . T sin θ = μ1 . W1
T = (μ1 . W1) / (cos θ + μ1 . sin θ) ... (iii)Free body diagram of m1:
f1 to the left
f2 to the left
P to the right
W2 downwards
N1 downwards
N2 upwards
T to the left

Equation of motion for m2:
$$P = f_1 + f_2 + T
\\= \mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . T \sin \theta + \mu_2 . (W_2 + N_1) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
\\= \mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . \sin \theta . \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} + \mu_2 . \left( W_2 + W_1 - T \sin \theta \right) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
\\=\mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . \sin \theta . \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} + \mu_2 . \left( W_2 + W_1 - \frac{\mu_1 . W_1. \sin \theta}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} \right) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
$$

Is this correct? When I plug the value I got 12 something Newton and the answer key is 15 NThanks
 
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songoku said:
Homework Statement:: (see picture)

Smaller block has mass 1 kg and larger block has mass 2 kg. Coefficient of friction between the two blocks is 0.2 and between larger block and floor is 0.3. Find the value of P so that the two blocks move relative to each other at constant sped
Relevant Equations:: Newton's 2nd law of motion

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Let:
Smaller block = m1 = 1 kg
Large block = m2 = 2 kg
Coefficient of friction between the two blocks = μ1 = 0.2
Coefficient of friction between larger block and floor = μ2 = 0.3
Tension connecting two blocks through two pulleys = T
Angle between tension and horizontal = θ = 37o
Friction between two blocks = f1
Friction between larger block and floor = f2
Normal force acting on m1 = N1
Normal force acting on m2 = N2
Weight of m1 = W1
Weight of m2 = W2

Free body diagram of m1:
T cos θ to the left
T sin θ upwards
W1 downwards
N1 upwards
f1 to the right

Equation of motion for m1:
T sin θ + N1 = W1
N1 = W1 - T sin θ ...(i)

f1 = μ1 . N1 = μ1 (W1 - T sin θ) ... (ii)

T cos θ = f1
T cos θ = μ1 (W1 - T sin θ)
T cos θ = μ1 . W1 - μ1 . T sin θ
T cos θ + μ1 . T sin θ = μ1 . W1
T = (μ1 . W1) / (cos θ + μ1 . sin θ) ... (iii)Free body diagram of m1:
f1 to the left
f2 to the left
P to the right
W2 downwards
N1 downwards
N2 upwards
T to the left

Equation of motion for m2:
$$P = f_1 + f_2 + T
\\= \mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . T \sin \theta + \mu_2 . (W_2 + N_1) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
\\= \mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . \sin \theta . \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} + \mu_2 . \left( W_2 + W_1 - T \sin \theta \right) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
\\=\mu_1 . W_1 - \mu_1 . \sin \theta . \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} + \mu_2 . \left( W_2 + W_1 - \frac{\mu_1 . W_1. \sin \theta}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta} \right) + \frac{\mu_1 . W_1}{\cos \theta + \mu_1 . \sin \theta}
$$

Is this correct? When I plug the value I got 12 something Newton and the answer key is 15 NThanks
Your working looks correct, and produces the right answer for theta=0, and also for W1=0.
I agree with your 12.something, depending on the value you use for g.
 
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