Forced Oscillation with complex numbers

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The discussion revolves around a problem in forced oscillation involving complex numbers, specifically applying a force to a mass-spring system. The original poster attempts to show that the equation \( m \ddot{z} = - k z + Fe^{i \omega t} \) holds true, where \( F \) is a force expressed in terms of complex exponentials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law and the interpretation of real and imaginary parts of the equation. There is an exploration of whether the imaginary part has any physical significance and how it relates to the overall solution.

Discussion Status

Some participants question the necessity of the imaginary part in the context of the physical problem, suggesting that only the real part is relevant. Others express confusion about the implications of the problem statement and the conditions under which the relationship between \( z \) and \( x \) holds.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted assumption that the real part of the complex solution corresponds to the physical displacement, while the imaginary part may not have a defined physical meaning. The problem's formulation raises questions about the conditions for solutions and the implications of the mathematical representation.

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Homework Statement


If a force F = F_0 cos (\omega t) = \Re{\{F_0 e^{i \omega t}\}} is applied to a body of mass m attached to a spring of constant k, and x = \Re\{z\}. Show that the following equation holds:
m \ddot{z} = - k z + Fe^{i \omega t} .

Homework Equations


Newton's second law.

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to solve the problem assuming that z = x + y i with x and y being real numbers and show that the real parts of the two sides of the equation are equal and so are the imaginary parts. However, although for the real parts we just get Newton's second law, I could not anything useful by the imaginary parts.
 
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Hello Namesis, :welcome:

Don't you get Newton's law for the imaginary part as well ?
 
namesis said:

Homework Statement


If a force F = F_0 cos (\omega t) = \Re{\{F_0 e^{i \omega t}\}} is applied to a body of mass m attached to a spring of constant k, and x = \Re\{z\}. Show that the following equation holds:
m \ddot{z} = - k z + Fe^{i \omega t} .

Homework Equations


Newton's second law.

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to solve the problem assuming that z = x + y i with x and y being real numbers and show that the real parts of the two sides of the equation are equal and so are the imaginary parts. However, although for the real parts we just get Newton's second law, I could not anything useful by the imaginary parts.
The key point is that only the real part has physical meaning, you may ignore completely the imaginary part. The physical equation is the real part of ##m \ddot{z} = - k z + Fe^{i \omega t} ##, the imaginary part can simply be discarded, it has no meaning (as is clear from the fact that the y you introduced in ##z= x + i y ## has not been assigned any physical meaning.
 
nrqed said:
The key point is that only the real part has physical meaning, you may ignore completely the imaginary part. The physical equation is the real part of ##m \ddot{z} = - k z + Fe^{i \omega t} ##, the imaginary part can simply be discarded, it has no meaning (as is clear from the fact that the y you introduced in ##z= x + i y ## has not been assigned any physical meaning.

I see now. My point was that you can perfectly write x as x + 2342 i \in \mathbb{Z} without that obeying the equation. So every z that is a solution of the equation, has the property x = \Re{\{z\}} but not every z with the previous property satisfies the equation. The problem was stated in a way that it implied that what I had to show is: "Show that x = \Re{\{z\}} if and only if z satisfies the equation."
 

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