Forced vibration on mass between two pull springs

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The discussion revolves around a mass m suspended between two prestressed pull springs, k1 and k2, and the dynamics of its motion. The participants clarify the equation of motion, asserting that the correct formulation is ma = (k1 + k2)x, rather than using a difference between the spring constants. They explore the implications of prestressing, noting that both springs exert force in one direction, which is crucial for understanding their equilibrium positions. The conversation also addresses the resonance with an external force and the amplitude of that force, emphasizing the importance of the springs' equilibrium states. Ultimately, the participants resolve confusion regarding the energy dynamics of the springs, confirming that both springs contribute to restoring forces.
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Consider a mass m with a prestressed pull spring on either end, each attached to a wall. Let k1 and k2 be the pull spring constants of the springs. A displacement of the mass by a distance x results in the first spring k1 lengthening by a distance x(and pulling in the - direction), while the second spring k2 is abbreviating by a distance x (and pulls in the positive direction).
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The equation of motion then becomes:
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Three questions:

1. Is it correct that
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2. If the answer on question (1) is yes, what is ω if k2>k1

3. Is is possible to resonate with a force F=A.cos(ωt) en what would be the amplitude of this force.
 
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What is the resting equilibrium position for each spring individually?
The way you have it written is at x=0, but you say something about prestressed in your description so it isn't clear.
 
Lets say the resting equilibrium position for the springs are x1 and x2. The reason why they have to be prestressed is because they are pull springs. They can only have a force in one direction. They both are pulling at any time at the mass. When they are not prestressed then, at the position x=0 (with the springs attached) they would be pressed together.
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Kurt Couffez said:
Lets say the resting equilibrium position for the springs are x1 and x2. The reason why they have to be prestressed is because they are pull springs. They can only have a force in one direction. They both are pulling at any time at the mass. When they are not prestressed then, at the position x=0 (with the springs attached) they would be pressed together.
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I do not think it even matters. The forces of pre-stretched springs eliminate each other at all times.
 
It should be
##ma = (k_1+k_2)x##
not
##ma = (k_1-k_2)x##

You can show it using the Euler-Lagrange equation.
##L = \frac{1}{2}m v^2 - \frac{1}{2}k_2 (x_2-x)^2 - \frac{1}{2} k_1 (x-x_1)^2##
##\frac{\partial L}{\partial x} = k_2 (x_2-x) - k_1 (x-x_1) = x (k_1 + k_2) + k_1 x_1 + k_2 x_2##
If x=0 is the equilibrium position, then ##k_1 x_1 + k_2 x_2 = 0##
 
Why is in this the enegery of both springs negative? Spring 1 is pulling upwards, spring 2 is pulling downwards.
 
Ok, I have discovered the error. The restoring force F2 should also be upwards. Spring 2 also wants to bring the mass to its equilibrium position even if it is a pull spring.
The question around the negative energy of the spring is also solved.

Thanks.
 
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