Forces and Work Done by Weight on a Ramp

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A constant external force is applied to a box and a crate on rough surfaces, with calculations for work done involving angles and displacement. For the box, the work done by the external force is calculated to be approximately 1178 J. In the case of the crate on an incline, the work done by weight is determined to be negative, as it opposes the direction of motion. The discussion emphasizes the importance of vector components in calculating work, particularly the need to consider the angle between force and displacement. Understanding the signs of work based on direction is crucial for accurate calculations in physics.
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1) A constant external force P=170 N at 30 degrees above the horizontal is applied to a 20 kg box, which is on a rough horizontal surface. The force pushes the box a distance of 8.0 m, in a time interval 0f 6.0 s, and the speed changes from v1 = 0.3 m/s to v2 = 2.5 m/s. The work done by external force P is closest to:

a.680 J--------b. 1060 J----------------c. 940 J----------d. 810 J-----------e. 1180 J

Well F_P = 170*cos (30), then W = 170*cos (30)*8.0 m = 1178 J??


2) A 300 kg crate is on a rough surface inclined at 30 degrees. A constant external force P = 2400 N is applied horizontally to the crate. The force pushes the crate a distance of 3.0 m up the incline, in a time interval of 9.0 s, and the velocity changes from v1 = 0.7 m/s to v2 = 2.9 m/s. The work done by the weight is closest to:

a.0--------b.-4400 J----------c. 1400 J-------------d.4400 J-----e. –1400 J

The weight has a component in the direction of displacement, and it’s mg*sin(30).
W = mg*sin(30)*d = (300 kg)*(9.80 m/s^2)*sin(30)*3.0 m = 4410 J

But is the work done positive? Is this even the correct setup that I have?

Thanks.
 
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The work done is positive if its 'direction' is the same as the direction of motion.
 
In b) you work AGAINST gravity, i.e its work should be negative.
The reason for you getting it wrong, is that mgsin(30) points DOWNWARDS, whereas the directed the distance the crate moves is UPWARDS.

In order to get this right, set your directed distance as a VECTOR:
\vec{D}=d(\cos(30)\vec{i}+\sin(30)\vec{j}), \vec{W}=-mg\vec{j}, d=3.0 m
Thus the scalar W, work, becomes:
W=\vec{D}\cdot\vec{W}=-dmg\sin(30)
 
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For #2, would it also be correct to multiply by cos(180) for work since this is the angle of the weight's component from the direction of displacement?
 
Soaring Crane said:
For #2, would it also be correct to multiply by cos(180) for work since this is the angle of the weight's component from the direction of displacement?

Yes, since cos(180) equals -1.
 
Soaring Crane said:
For #2, would it also be correct to multiply by cos(180) for work since this is the angle of the weight's component from the direction of displacement?
Quite correct!
You could take the force component along the direction of motion; if that force component is parallell to the direction of motion, the angle between them is 0, whereas if it is anti-parallell, the angle is 180
The perpendicular part of the force would in any case vanish.
 
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