Fossil Fuels: Is Nature Still Producing

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The discussion revolves around the ongoing natural processes involved in the formation of fossil fuels, the relationship between fossil fuel consumption and atmospheric CO2 levels, and the implications of these processes for future energy resources. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of fossil fuel production and consumption, including chemical reactions and the time scales involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while fossil fuels are still being formed, the process is extremely slow, particularly for coal and petroleum.
  • Others propose a connection between the amount of fossil fuels and atmospheric CO2, questioning if a decrease in fossil fuel carbon corresponds directly to an increase in atmospheric carbon.
  • A participant highlights the complexity of fossil fuel formation, noting that sunlight and organic decay continue to contribute to the process, but at a slow rate.
  • Some participants discuss the chemistry of fossil fuel combustion, detailing how burning methane and propane produces CO2, and raise questions about the reversibility of this process through photosynthesis or other chemical reactions.
  • Concerns are raised about the sustainability of fossil fuel use, with some arguing that current consumption rates far exceed the natural formation rates, leading to depletion of reserves.
  • One participant emphasizes that while there is enough biomass to potentially replace petroleum, it would require millions of years without current consumption.
  • Another participant warns that attempts to artificially create oil from organic matter may require more energy than can be recovered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the sustainability of fossil fuel production versus consumption. There is agreement that fossil fuel formation is a slow process, but disagreement on the implications of this for current energy use and atmospheric CO2 levels.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the processes involved in fossil fuel formation and combustion, as well as the time scales required for natural replenishment. There are unresolved questions regarding the relationship between fossil fuel consumption and atmospheric CO2 recovery.

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Fossil fuels was created by nature. Dose that mean as we speak the processes continues and fossil fuel is continually being made if not why?
 
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Fossil fuels result from the decay of dead organic matter, mostly plants. However, the process took millions of years to reach its current state. Although it is still taking place, the process is extremely slow for coal or petroleum. The only useful quick solution to the fossil fuel problem, using such material, is biofuel.
 
I always wondered what is the connection between the amount of fossil fuels and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Could we say that for each C atom less in fossil fuels, there is one more in the atmosphere? Does anybody know the answer?
(I hope my assumption is wrong, otherwise CO2 concentrations would need houndreds of thousands years to recover).
 
Yes, essentially the same processes are in place today as there were millions of years ago which led to the formation of the fossil fuels we exploit today. The whole process is quite complicated and takes a long time. Sunlight still shines giving us life on earth, the life still dies and gets buried, over time the buried material gets buried further which matures the dead organic material (the "fossils") into hydrocarbons, the hydrocarbons still flow through little gaps in the rocks until they get trapped in a reservoir.
 
Lojzek said:
I always wondered what is the connection between the amount of fossil fuels and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Could we say that for each C atom less in fossil fuels, there is one more in the atmosphere? Does anybody know the answer?
(I hope my assumption is wrong, otherwise CO2 concentrations would need houndreds of thousands years to recover).
The chemistry is quite simple. For the best fossil fuel (methane), it looks like this:

CH4 + 2 O2 -> 2 H2O + CO2 + Energy

So every molecule of methane burned yields one molecule of carbon dioxide. Propane, for another example, is C3H8 - so every molecule of propane, when burned, yields 3 molecules of carbon dioxide.
 
russ_watters said:
The chemistry is quite simple. For the best fossil fuel (methane), it looks like this:

CH4 + 2 O2 -> 2 H2O + CO2 + Energy

So every molecule of methane burned yields one molecule of carbon dioxide. Propane, for another example, is C3H8 - so every molecule of propane, when burned, yields 3 molecules of carbon dioxide.
I based my assumption on the conservation of atoms in chemical reactions. In the moment after burning the number of additional CO2 molecules in the atmosphere must be the same as the number of missing C molecules in the fossil fuel.
But I'm not sure if this change can only be reversed by photosyntesis (more exactly by photosyntesis that is not followed by decay). Maybe there are also chemical reactions that can bind carbon into inorganic molecules. That reactions might run faster in case of higher CO2 concentration, so increased concentrations caused by fossil fuel burning might recover in a shorter time than the fossil fuels need to form again.
 
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that process is very complicated and it needs a lot of time to give us fossil fuel and we are already using that fossil fuel every millisecond in our life.
than how can the process of making the fuel and taking it equal!
 
abdullahbameh said:
that process is very complicated and it needs a lot of time to give us fossil fuel and we are already using that fossil fuel every millisecond in our life.
than how can the process of making the fuel and taking it equal!

It is not equal. The petroleum reserves in the world are being used up. Why do you think the price of gasoline keeps going up??
 
The bottom line essentially is that we can't break even. There's enough biomass on the planet to replace the petroleum that we've been using for a couple of hundred years... but only if we stop using it and wait a few million years.
And anyone who comes up with the brilliant idea of compressing organic matter to make oil must remember that it would take more energy to do that than you could ever recover.
 

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