Freq. of small oscillations in two pendulums

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The problem involves comparing the frequencies of small oscillations for two pendulums with different configurations. Pendulum I has a single bob of mass 2m, while Pendulum II has one bob of mass m at the end of a rod of length L and another bob of mass m located at L/2. The goal is to find the ratio of the frequencies of small oscillations between the two pendulums.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the formula for the frequency of small oscillations, relating it to the length of the pendulum and the position of the center of mass for Pendulum II. Some participants suggest considering the moment of inertia and clarify that the relevant length is the distance from the pivot to the center of mass.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of using the center of mass in the calculations and questioning the assumptions made about the lengths involved. There is a recognition that the original approach may not align with the correct interpretation of the problem, particularly regarding the definition of L in the context of the frequency formula.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need to consider the moment of inertia for a compound pendulum, indicating that the problem may involve additional complexities beyond the initial assumptions made by the original poster.

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Homework Statement



Consider two pendulums, I and II. I consists of a bob of mass 2m at the end of a rod of length L. II consists of one bob of mass m at the end of a rod of length L and another bob of mass m halfway up the road, at L/2. What is the ratio of the frequency of small oscillations of pendulum II to that of pendulum I?

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As far as I know, for small oscillations, the frequency is given by sqrt(g/L), where g is the acceleration of gravity, and L is the length of the pendulum. Therefore, the frequency of small oscillations is proportional to sqrt(1/L).

The Attempt at a Solution



if wII is the frequency for pendulum II and LII is the length of pendulum II, and wI is the frequency for pendulum I and LI is the length of pendulum I:

wII/wI = sqrt(1/LII)/sqrt(1/LI)

As I understand it, for an ideal pendulum, L refers to the position of the bob. The way I saw it, the "Bob" of pendulum II is located at the center of mass of the two Bobs. since one is at L and the other is at L/2, the center of mass is at 3L/4. Therefore:

wII/wI = sqrt(4/3)/sqrt(1/1) = sqrt(4/3)

However, the answer is actually sqrt(6/5) ! Any Ideas?
 
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Maybe consider the frequency of a compound pendulum.

f = (m*g*L / I)1/2/ (2 * π)

Aren't you going to want to be interested in the moment of inertia and not just the center of mass?

Edit: as davieddy points out the L in this case is the distance to the center of mass
 
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L (in your formula) is the distance of the center of mass from the pivot,
not the L specified in the question.
 
davieddy said:
L (in your formula) is the distance of the center of mass from the pivot,
not the L specified in the question.

Thanks for the clarification.
 

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