Frequency of a spring in an extended system

AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on deriving the frequency of oscillation for a mass-spring system using fundamental physics principles. It begins with Newton's Second Law and Hooke's Law to establish the forces acting on the system. The net force leads to a differential equation that describes simple harmonic motion, resulting in the angular frequency equation ω = √(k/m). The period of oscillation is expressed as T = 2π√(m/k), leading to the frequency equation f = 1/T = 2π√(k/m). The participant questions whether their derived frequency equation, which accounts for the combined mass of the system, is correct.
Violagirl
Messages
112
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Beginning with
basic physics principles, show how you get an equation that gives the frequency of
oscillation.

Homework Equations



Newton second law of motion: Force = mass x acceleration

Hooke's law for the force of the spring: F(spring) = -k(constant)x X(displacement of spring)

Forces of system:

In x direction: T-kx=ma

In y direction: T-mg=ma=0, T=mg

Total forces of system: mg-kx=ma

In measuring angular frequency: ω = √k/m

For measuring frequency: f = 1/2∏√k/m

For measuring period: T = 2∏√m/k


The Attempt at a Solution



Starting Newton's Second Law of Motion:

∑F=ma

In the +x direction to the attached free body diagram of the system, we have the force of the spring:

Fapplied = kx

Since the spring will be displaced from it's point of equilibrium to be released, I can show this by the equation:

∑Fx=mxax

Fspring=-kx

When an amount of mass (m) is attached to the end of a spring, and displaced from equilibrium to be released, the unbalanced force acting on the mass that remains is the force exerted by spring. Through Newton's Second Law of Motion, this can be expressed by the equation shown below:

Fnet= Fspring =-kx=ma

Showing the differential equation,

m(d2x/dt2)=-kx

we can get the simple harmonic equation:

x=A cos(ωt- Θ)

After showing that the harmonic and differential equations are equivalent through direct substitution, we can get the equation for finding angular frequency:

ω=√k/m

The motion of the spring's oscialliations can be shown by it's period (T) as a unit of time. Because it's motion depicts the cycle of a circle, a diameter of 2ττ, we can get an equation of:

T = 1/2ττ √k/m

Taking the reciprocal, we can get the frequency:

f=1/T= 2ττ √m/k

Since the mass of both the cart and hanging object impact the frequency of the spring, I believe the following equation would correspond to it:

f = 2ττ √m1+m2/k

Is this wrong?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Free body diagram of extended system is attached.
 

Attachments

I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...
Back
Top