1. Limited time only! Sign up for a free 30min personal tutor trial with Chegg Tutors
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

Homework Help: Frequency of sound in a pipe question

  1. Apr 10, 2012 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    Shown in the picture attachment.

    3. The attempt at a solution
    Hello! with this question I am just completely lost. I haven't the slightest clue how to get started. Anybody care to explain why the answer is D? (I've looked at the markscheme..)

    Attached Files:

  2. jcsd
  3. Apr 10, 2012 #2
    their will be loud sound when stationary waves will be formed...(it's key point for this question)
    for such cases(when one end closed and one end open)
    for both the cases f is constant c(speed of sound) is constant.
    in first cases take n=k and in second case take it k+1. you will have two equations having a single variable k. just eliminate it and you will get speed of sound in terms of L1 L2 and f.
    it's bad habit. looking at answer and trying to somehow explain that...
    I have not done it. but i think my solution will work.
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2012
  4. Apr 11, 2012 #3
    Hi! being quite a simpleton, I found the answer a bit confusing. I understand that as the pipe is lowered standing waves will be produced... I also get that f is constant as the tuning fork held determines what possible lengths that cause the louder sounds. Why will the frequency be equal to (4n+1)c/4L then though? I'd figure that the wavelength at L1 of the sound in the pipe would be 4L, but then how does that translate into the equation you presented? Sorry i'f i'm a little inept! Thankyou for your help thus far.
  5. Apr 11, 2012 #4
    NOTE: i have done an error in my last post formula is not f=(4n+1)c/(4L) it is f=(2n+1)c/(4L)..
    You might have seen it's derivation in your book...
    there will be a node at closed end and anti node and open end..
    that is not necessary...
    what if is say it is 4L/3. or 4L/5..
    that can be any out of this series..

    λ/4=L(fundamental wave)
    3λ/4=L (first overtone)
    5λ/4=L(second overtone)
    (2n+1)λ/4=L (replace λ by c/f to get frequency formula as i have written in my last post)

    but as it is stated in question that large sound listened first time when distance is L1 and very next is L2 so if in case of L1 n=k then in case of L2 it is (k+1)..
    if you are still not clear that what's happening then once again read this topic from your book ...
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2012
  6. Apr 11, 2012 #5
    Resonance occurs for pipe lengths such that there is a displacement node at the closed end and a displacement antinode at,approximately,the open end.First resonance occurs for a length of L1 when 1/4 of the wave fits in the space.Second resonance occurs for a length of L2 when 3/4 of a wave fits in the space.From that you can work out the wavelength in terms of L1 and L2 and hence the speed.
    To see it clearly sketch it out.
  7. Apr 12, 2012 #6
    Aha! I follow. so it doesn't necessarily have to be the first harmonic, but they will definitely be in series? I've looked at it a little more and I think it's finally embedded itself into my brain. Thankyou for your help!
Share this great discussion with others via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook