Friction and Rotation: Understanding the Ratio of Forces on a Rotating Disk

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The problem involves a rotating disk, specifically a phonograph record, with two balls positioned at different radii. The question seeks to determine the ratio of friction forces acting on the balls as they remain stationary relative to the disk while it rotates at a constant speed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the disk's constant angular velocity and the resulting torque. There is consideration of centripetal acceleration and its relationship to radius. Questions arise regarding the nature of the friction forces and the conditions under which the balls remain stationary on the disk.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered interpretations of the problem, questioning the clarity of the scenario regarding the balls' attachment to the disk and the role of friction. Multiple interpretations of the situation are being explored, with some suggesting that the friction forces must be sufficient to prevent sliding, while others express uncertainty about the assumptions made.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity regarding the conditions under which the balls remain at rest on the disk, particularly whether they are glued or simply held in place by friction. This uncertainty affects the discussion about the forces involved and the calculation of the ratio of friction forces.

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Homework Statement


A phonograph record is whiring around at 103 rpm. Two balls of mass 1 kg are sitting on the disk and are at rest with respect to disk. The first ball (1) sits at a radius 5 away from center. The second ball (2) sits at a radius of 10 away from center. What is the ratio of friction forces acting on them? Ratio = (Friction of 1/Friction of 2)

A)0.5
B) 1
C) 2
D) .25
E) not enough info

Homework Equations


T = Ialpha

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, first,

I know that the disk is rotating at a constant velocity. This means that angular acceleration is 0, thus, the Torque is 0. If the torque is 0 for this disk that is rotating constantly, then that means that net torque is 0 because friction is acting on the balls. Therefore, some force is oppose this friction for net torque to be 0.

However, this doesn't really help me because Torque is just 0? I'm thinking the answer is either E) or could be B) or C) if I am thinking wrong
 
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The balls are stuck on the disk as it rotates, so the friction forces on each are enough to keep them from sliding. What is the equation for the centripetal acceleration on an object as a function of the radius?
 
berkeman said:
The balls are stuck on the disk as it rotates, so the friction forces on each are enough to keep them from sliding. What is the equation for the centripetal acceleration on an object as a function of the radius?

well,

Ac = v^2/r --> w^2*r

Is Ac the torque?

If it is, then the friction force is twice the ball 2 for ball one because of Radius doubled for ball 1
 
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lc99 said:
well,

Ac = v^2/r --> w^2*r
Yep. So what's the correct answer to the question then... :smile:
 
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berkeman said:
Yep. So what's the correct answer to the question then... :smile:
C) 2! Thanks :D

Unfortunately, i guessed ratio of 1 on my exam out of confusion and panic :(. Atleast I get it now!
 
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berkeman said:
The balls are stuck on the disk as it rotates
That's unclear. If glued to the disk, why make them balls, and where does friction come into it?
A feasible interpretation is that the balls are only instantaneously at rest relative to the disc. But if so, we should have been told that there is sufficient friction that the balls do not, at first at least, slide.
Pretty sure the answer would still be 2, though.
 

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