Friction + centripetal acceleration problem

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The discussion focuses on determining the largest and smallest angular velocities (w) for a cube resting inside a rotating funnel without slipping. The minimum angular velocity is expressed as w_min = sqrt(g(sin(theta) - u cos(theta)) / r(cos(theta) + u sin(theta))). The maximum angular velocity is derived as w_max = sqrt(g/r * (tan(theta) + u) / (1 - u tan(theta))). Participants share their calculations and adjustments to the formulas for clarity. The problem is referenced from Halliday's physics textbook, emphasizing the importance of understanding friction and centripetal acceleration in rotational dynamics.
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A small cube of mass m is placed on the inside of a funnel rotating about a vertical axis at a constant rate of w revolutions per second. The wall of the funnel makes an angle theta with the horizontal. The coefficient of static friction between cube and funnel is u and the center of the cube is at a distance r from the axis of rotation. Find the (a) largest and (b) smallest values of w for which the cube will not move with respect to the funnel.

I of course try to draw a free body diagram that looks pretty weird.

does w_min look like sqrt(g(sin(theta)-ucos(theta))/r(cos(theta)+usin(theta)))? And wmax the same except for the fact that you add ucos)theta_ on the top except for subtracting.

The problem is also Halliday volume 1 chapter 5 problem 18

Thanks!
 
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Ugh, let's put that in https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=8997":
\omega_{min}=\sqrt{g(\sin(\theta)-\mu\cos(\theta))/r(\cos(\theta)+\mu \sin(\theta))}
or, dividing top and bottom of the fraction by cos(theta) and using some cosmetics:
\omega_{min}=\sqrt{\frac{g}{r}\cdot \frac{\tan \theta-\mu}{1+\mu \tan \theta}}

Much prettier o:)

By the way, I got the same answer for \omega_{min}, for \omega_{max} I get:

\omega_{max}=\sqrt{\frac{g}{r}\cdot \frac{\tan \theta+\mu}{1-\mu \tan \theta}}
so there's a change in the denominator too.
 
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