Friction problem on inclined plane

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving an object on a rough inclined plane, focusing on concepts of kinetic friction, energy conservation, and forces acting on the object. The problem presents specific parameters such as mass, height, length of the incline, angle, and coefficients of friction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of energy principles to find the speed of the object at the bottom of the incline and the coefficient of kinetic friction on the horizontal surface. Some participants question the validity of using conservation of mechanical energy due to the presence of friction and suggest considering work done against friction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. There is a recognition of the need to account for non-conservative work and the forces acting on the object, particularly the frictional forces on both the incline and the horizontal surface.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities introduced by friction and the need to adjust their calculations accordingly. There is an emphasis on understanding the forces involved and the implications of the angle of the incline on the calculations.

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Alright, I have another question that I want to make sure I did correct. The question is "an objec of mass m is at rest on a rough inclined plane with height h, length 8 m, and which makes an angle of 30degrees with the horizontal. The object is allowed to move and it stops on a rough horizontal surface, at a distance of 4m from the botton of the inclined plane as shown. The coefficient of kinetic friction on the inclined plane is 0.4 and g=10m/s^2.

What is the speed of the object ast the bottom of the inclined plane?

Alright i used the equation KEfinal -PEfinal = KEinitial -PEinitial, put in the numbers and calculated the velocity to be 12.65 m/s.

The second questin is...

What is the coefficient of kinetic friction for the horizontal surface?

I used the equation Normal force = Force of weight and got

mass*gravity*distance *coefficient of kinetic friction = mass*gravity*distance*coefficient of friction on the incline.

I canceled the mass and the gravity and put in the numbers,

(4m for distance on horizontal0*(uk)= distance of 4 m, (which i obtained from sin30=8/d)*cos30degrees*0.4(the planes coefficient of friction).

I then solved for the coefficient of fricton from the horizontal and calculated 0.35.

(Is this correct?
 
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You do NOT have conservation of mechanical energy, since friction is present!
 
So, for part A, would I first find the Wnc=-ukmgd, and then set that equal to change of KE + the change of PE?
 
jhrnndz1 said:
So, for part A, would I first find the Wnc=-ukmgd, and then set that equal to change of KE + the change of PE?
You have to factor in the angle. The force of friction is [itex]\mu_kNg[/itex] where N is the component of the block's weight perpendicular to the inclined surface. Apart from that, your approach is right.

AM
 

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