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News Gainesville Reverend Plans To Burn Qu'ran

  1. Sep 7, 2010 #1

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    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015763-10391695.html

    I just can't believe this. What this man is proposing is, in my opinion, one of the most harmful actions to this nation that he could commit. We've seen two things: book-burning doesn't tend to be highly regarded by anyone, and you don't want to incite the greatest threat to our troops (Islamic terrorists) by burning the center of their life. I predict that if this idiot follows through, American troops will die because of it.

    I just can't believe this... why?
     
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  3. Sep 7, 2010 #2

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    Yes - such an inflammatory action will likely motivate more aggression.

    But worse - it might incite those who have been on the sidelines, i.e. those who were less inclined to enter the fight.

    And still - it will cost the US support who see this as affront to their religion.

    Apparently this guy represents a non-denominational establishment, Dove World Outreach Center. Not exactly sure what it is. Perhaps he has registered as a church or religious establishment.

    :rolleyes:

    :uhh:

    He doesn't seem to represent peace or goodwill. :frown:
     
  4. Sep 7, 2010 #3
    It's obvious that the "reverend" has his own Achilles' heel -- ignorance. Potentially, he will not be the first to suffer from a knee-jerk reaction by terrorists.

    Maybe someday he and the terrorists will realize that God was meant for all who seek.

    That's Doctor Jones.
     
  5. Sep 7, 2010 #4

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    He was on the news tonight claiming that his book-burning was simply "pointing out" how hateful Islam is. He should have been looking in a mirror. It's pathetic that a little hole-in-the-wall "church" can gain so much attention with a nasty event, and help paint the US as Islam-hating morons in the minds of Muslims who might otherwise have been rather moderate.

    Eerily reminiscent of the Westboro loons who picket soldiers' funerals with signs that say things line "thank god for dead soldiers" and other hate-speech.
     
  6. Sep 7, 2010 #5

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    Seems oddly dual to the Islamic community center a few blocks from the former Twin Towers -- just because they can doesn't mean they should. Admittedly this case seems more intentionally provocative rather than accidentally provocative.
     
  7. Sep 7, 2010 #6

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    What troubles me is not him - after all his motive is quite easily understandable - publicity.

    What troubles me is all the citizens who will sympathize with this motive because they believe it.
     
  8. Sep 7, 2010 #7

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    Wait. What? You don't think they should put a Mosque near Ground Zero? Why?

    The only rationale I have ever been able to fathom for this crazy thought is that people think that the Muslim world - as a unit - instigated 9/11.

    Or am I misunderstanding?
     
  9. Sep 7, 2010 #8

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    The Imam has worked for that past two administrations performing outreach functions to the Muslim world, plus Sufis are perhaps the most mystical, contemplative branch of Islam. They have already been praying regularly in that old Burlington Coat Factory building for years. The "provocation" is entirely invented by people who have an agenda, and wish to make an issue of it. There are religious buildings all over lower Manhattan - suddenly, this project gets singled out? Let's get a bit of perspective.

    It would never have been an issue, except that this is a mid-term election year, and the GOP has to whip idiots into a frenzy to cover up the fact that they have NO agenda apart from NO.
     
  10. Sep 7, 2010 #9

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    The news (CBS) reported he's lost 30 members of his flock over this. If those closest to him aren't willing to go along, hopefully there aren't many citizens who agree with him either. Even those who have a "Shoot first, ask questions later!" attitude should take notice of Gen. Petraeus' plea to not do this.
     
  11. Sep 7, 2010 #10

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    Yes.

    It doesn't bother me in the least that they want to build a community center there. It wouldn't bother me if they wanted to build a mosque there, either. But it has provoked a huge negative response toward Islam in the US, and that's the last thing it needs right now, at a time when it had been largely rebuilding bridges.

    This goes all the more in a global climate that's rather hostile to Islam: the riots and anti-immigration movement in France, the Swiss ban on minarets, etc.
     
  12. Sep 7, 2010 #11

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    I think I'll go home tonight and burn all my bible's in protest.

    A shame. Some are nearly 100 years old.

    And I've never burned a book in my life.

    Something about watching F451 as a child taught me it was a sin.

    Maybe I'll just burn the new ones.
     
  13. Sep 7, 2010 #12

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    What is ironic is that though he's an idiot and a bigot for doing it, he has a point: it is easy to provoke Islamic violence by doing something insulting to Islam. When was the last time you saw American Christians burning an effigy of an Islamic cleric for doing something similar?
     
  14. Sep 7, 2010 #13

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    Burning in effigy wouldn't really bother me. Death threats and attempted murder, those are different.
     
  15. Sep 7, 2010 #14
    This is such crap. I'm going to buy a copy of the Quran and get my old bible and burn them together and post it on youtube.
     
  16. Sep 7, 2010 #15

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    Yes, death threats... it's not http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/91269/ [Broken], right?
     
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  17. Sep 7, 2010 #16

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    No it hasn't.

    That hateful (and misguided) attitude was there prior to this. This has simply served as a (completely fallacious) lightning rod for misguided anger.

    You don't encourage that kind of thing by ceding to ridiculous demands; you address the anger and direct it where it belongs (at the terrorists, not at Islam).
     
  18. Sep 7, 2010 #17

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    Well, if it's going on youtube, you might as well go all out:

    Put little genitalia on them. Make them both male, and have them doing some kind of kinky clockwork orange weird sex scene. Have the parents(bookbinders?) come in and catch them, then do a burning on the cross/mecca rock scene. Little dangly leg things would make them look like sponge bob square pants. And have people throw rocks. Rocks are always cool.

    You can flash ghostly images of Ingrid Bergman, et al, across the faces of both books as they burn.

    Then change them to ghastly smiles of satisfaction like the lady in F451 as she took control of the situation, and resigned herself to the nirvana of dying with her loved ones....

    TheJoyOfFire.jpg

    You'd win an Oscar for sure.
     
  19. Sep 7, 2010 #18
    LOL, I can't compete with your creative genius.

    I was just thinking of shooting the books a few times with incendiary rounds from my SKS while they are in front of a pan of gasoline... asking for my own personal fatwa.
     
  20. Sep 8, 2010 #19

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    Do you consider isolated incidents of lone wackos to be on the same level as a group of hundreds calling for violence in this case? Or the hundreds (thousands?) of photocopy identical Muslim suicide bombers compared to the dozens (maybe) of random, different Christian wackos who've done similar things? I don't.

    Every religion has at least a few wackos. Islam has a lot.
     
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  21. Sep 8, 2010 #20

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    What you are describing is a product of asymmetric warfare, not "your religion is nuttier than mine".

    If the other side had drones and B1s, would there be any need for hyped-up suicide bombers? If it had suited the world powers to let muslim nations develop their own modern cultural identity rather than prop up regional strongmen, would we need a "war on terror" at all?

    It is not about religion, but national games of dominance and submission. Why would you pretend otherwise?
     
  22. Sep 8, 2010 #21

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    We differ on the facts, then.
     
  23. Sep 8, 2010 #22
    I think the real story is here is how controversy addicted and childish the media has become. Any yahoo can make a press release saying he's going to burn something and you've got the friggin' leading US general making a commentary on it.
     
  24. Sep 8, 2010 #23
    You do not see lot of Christian wackos at present because Christian communities are not in any major conflict at present whereas Islamic communities are. You opinions (in this and in post # 12) are coming out of ignorance at best if not against the PF regulation where you are blaming religion without any substantiate claim.
     
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  25. Sep 8, 2010 #24

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    Bah! You've got to have lots of symbolism, appropriate music, and tear jerker stuff. Your video sounds like a thousand other videos I've seen.

    Of course you have to do research. The wiki entry on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning" [Broken] is a fun read.

    Just replace the little kids around the cross in the cranberrie zombie song with the hebrew & christian bibles, and the koran. Put little arms on them so they can all hold hands. It's so adorable when they do that as they are about to be crucified. Slowly spin the platform to show each book, as you shoot them with your incendiary rounds, bursting the gasoline drenched books into flames. And be sure the last one is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning#Harry_Potter_books_.28in_various_American_cities.29". That'll have people crying, and rioting in the streets.

    BurnThemAtTheStake.jpg
     
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  26. Sep 8, 2010 #25
    Hmmm, I see a pattern here...
     
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