Gibbs free energy from partial pressures

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the Gibbs free energy (ΔG) for the reaction CH3OH(g) <-> CO(g) + 2H2(g) at 298 K using given partial pressures. Participants explore the application of the Gibbs free energy equation and address potential errors in calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated K using the formula (0.200^2)(0.115)/0.895 and found it to be 0.00514, leading to a ΔG of -13.1 kJ, but expressed uncertainty about the correctness of this result.
  • Another participant suggested that ΔG should be calculated assuming the reaction is at equilibrium, where ΔG = 0, and provided an alternative formula for ΔG° reaction.
  • A third participant pointed out a potential error in the original calculation, noting the neglect of the minus sign and questioning if +13.1 kJ/mol was indeed correct.
  • There was a reiteration of the importance of unit consistency, with a suggestion to convert R to kJ/°K.mol.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on the correct calculation of ΔG, with multiple competing views on how to approach the problem and differing interpretations of the results.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the equilibrium state of the reaction and the treatment of units in the equations used.

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Homework Statement


Consider the following reaction:
CH3OH(g) <-> CO(g)+2H2(g)

Calculate ΔG for this reaction at 298 K under the following conditions:
PCH3OH=0.895atm
PCO=0.115atm
PH2=0.200atm


Homework Equations


ΔG=-R*T*ln(K)
where R is the gas constant 8.314 J/molK, T is 298 in this case, and K is determined from the partial pressures.


The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated K by (0.2002)(0.115)/0.895 and found it to be 0.00514.
This produced deltaG=-8.314*298*ln(0.00514)=-13.1 kJ, but this is incorrect according to the website. I'm really not sure what is going wrong; this is my last attempt on any of the pressure problems on this homework, so I'd like to get this figured out. My guess right now is that it's related to the # of moles not being used (as R suggests), but I'd appreciate input before I use my last attempt, especially so it's drilled into my brain after this assignment.

Thanks for any help!
 
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The consistency in units is often the case

Since the problem doesn't give Delta G naught, we calculate Delta G reaction assuming the reaction is at equilibrium (ΔG = 0)
ΔG° reaction (kJ) = - R (J/°K.mol) x T(°K) x ln (Pp/Pr)​

In this case, convert R = 8.314x10-3 (kJ/°K.mol)
 
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You neglected the minus sign. (Clue: if K < 1, ΔG0 must be positive.) Is +13.1 kJ/mol correct, according to your website?
 
linhbear said:
The consistency in units is often the case

Since the problem doesn't give Delta G naught, we calculate Delta G reaction assuming the reaction is at equilibrium (ΔG = 0)
ΔG° reaction (kJ) = - R (J/°K.mol) x T(°K) x ln (Pp/Pr)​

In this case, convert R = 8.314x10-3 (kJ/°K.mol)
The use of °K instead of K was discouraged in 1967.
 

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