GPA and the Greats: Grades of High Achievers

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between academic grades and high achievements, particularly in the context of notable scientists like Einstein, Witten, and Feynman. It acknowledges that while high grades may correlate with success, they do not necessarily reflect research capabilities, which are crucial for scientific achievement. The conversation highlights that excelling in coursework and research are distinct skill sets, with some individuals performing well academically but struggling in research, and vice versa. Factors such as performance anxiety and the focus on grades potentially detract from broader learning opportunities. The consensus suggests that while there may be a general correlation between grades and success, the nuances of individual performance and external factors complicate this relationship, making it difficult to draw definitive conclusions without specific data on the grades of high achievers.
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I was curious, about the relation of grades to high achievments. It's safe to assume, that most Nobel Prize winners for instance had rather high grades. Does anyone know if there has been studies of grades of high achievers?

More in particular, where can one find the grades of Einstein, Witten, Feynman and similar people?
 
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Grades record how well you did in classes. You don't get graded on your research, and research is what defines a good scientist. So while great scientists had to do well enough to get through grad school, the two skills sets - doing well in classes and doing well in research - aren't really that closely related. Plenty of people can succeed at one and suck at the other.
 
If the system works correctly, a grade is assigned to your level of understanding of the material. I would surmise a strong correlation between high grades and high achievements.
 
aspiring_one said:
If the system works correctly, a grade is assigned to your level of understanding of the material. I would surmise a strong correlation between high grades and high achievements.

Not necessarily. One that happens is that if you work harder for an A instead of a B, you end up with less time to study things that aren't assigned in the curriculum.
 
twofish-quant said:
Not necessarily. One that happens is that if you work harder for an A instead of a B, you end up with less time to study things that aren't assigned in the curriculum.

True. There should be some form of correlation, that is to say that people with very low grades usually aren't that good. But e.g. difference between 4.0 and below isn't related to talent. These people usually are good at studying, not at a special subject in itself.

Besides there are additional factors to consider, e.g. performance anxiety during exams, which hinders the flow. This is why most instititutions think of the grades more to "get an idea" of what the student is capable of.
 
I think a discussion of what other people might have gotten for grades is pointless speculation. I also suspect that, since grades are not public, this discussion will not be able to transition to one based on facts instead of speculation.
 
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